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Its been repeated over and over again, Hawaii went to all digital and computerized records about ten years ago. That document can not be accessed anymore.
Sure it can:
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I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
No amount of evidence will convince the Birfers, because, to paraphrase Carl Sagan, their belief is not based in evidence but in a deep-seated need to believe.
And yeah, it really is because they can't get away with calling him a n****r in public.
No it can't. From an interview a year ago June w/ Janice Okubo in the Honolulu Star Bulletin:
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Question: What is the state’s policy for issuing a “Certification of Live Birth” versus a “Certificate of Live Birth”? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier’s name and title; attendant’s name and title, etc. The certification has only the child’s name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother’s maiden name, mother’s race, father’s name and father’s race. Why doesn’t the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
oy vey its like arguing with a 4 year old. Yes she has seen the original records. Can she use them without the expressed permission from Obama? No. Laws prevent her from doing so.
ORIGINAL records are kept not on site at the DoH . They can't. that would be over 3 million records they would have to keep paper versions of and store. That is a nightmare room to have in a small government building, which would need to be subjected to constant environment controls to make sure the paper records are not spoiled by Hawaii's tropical climate (anyone who has lived in Hawaii can tell you that humidity alone is enough to destroy paper).
many records are actually on microfiche. Machines that are no longer used at the DoH when they went completely digital in 2001.
to REMAIN consistent with record keeping, older birht RECords were inputted into a computer databse. That database does not keep images of the original records, but simply data. TEXT.
That database is then accessed when someone requests a copy of their record. The clerk simply enters the information pulls up the record and sends that information to a printer, where its printed up.
The form is consistent so that when you request a copy the person next to you who does the same gets the same looking form.
To maintain over 20 versions of forms for over 100 years of records would be nightmarish and would call to question which FORM is the correct form to use or be accepted by the many services that needed a COLB (birth information has been logged for births up to 1908)
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
Again, unverified hearsay. I can post that I am a multi-billionaire. The fact that I wrote that about myself doesn't necessarily make it true, does it?
Again, unverified hearsay. I can post that I am a multi-billionaire. The fact that I wrote that about myself doesn't necessarily make it true, does it?
I love it when people throw around phrases like "unverified hearsay" as if they have a clue regarding what they are talking about.
The fact that you wrote about yourself may not make it necessarily true, but if you are writing about your family history, it does make it an exception to the hearsay rule under the Rule 803 (19) of the Federal Rules of Evidence.
By Jove, you've put your finger on it - the Berlin Wall was built in August 1961! Suddenly it all makes sense... After a wild night of debauchery with her revolutionary brethren in the notorious opium dens of East Berlin, Stanley Ann Dunham finds herself facing a grim reality. Her plan to reach the American Sector and give birth there is foiled by the Communist barricade popping up overnight.No sooner has she completed the thought before she is caught up in the daily sweep for Western Decadent Elements.
She shudders at an uncertain future - will her unborn child will be an East German? The local Commissar, however, thinks big and hatches a devilish plan. "Jawohl, Fraulein", he snarls, thin lips curled in a Communist sneer, "ze vorker's paradise will return you to your decadent Motherland - but at a price! HAHAHA!"
"First, you vill give ze birth. Then ve vill implant a Communist Mind Control Device in the newborn. Then - and this is the really evil bit - then ve vill send you to Hawaii per nuclear submarine, where you vill be forced to forge his documents or condemn him to a life of Socialism and Trabant-driving. In the fullness of time, he vill rise in the ranks and become President. Und zen - und zen... Today, East Berlin. Tomorrow - ZE WORLD!"
"I shall tell", says Ann, defiantly. "I shall tell the world."
"HAHAHA! Vonnze more, I laff at your capitalist thinking. Who vould belive such an outlandish tale? Our plot is too preposterous to be true. Only fools and charlatans will take you seriously. Surely Amerika vill not listen to those."
And with that, Ann knows she's won. "Repeat that last bit."
"I say, surely no-one in Amerika vill pay heed to fools and charlatans spouting nonsensical theories. Ehm... Vell, it's unlikely. How dumb would they have to be? There can't be that many being that dumb... Even if there were, they certainly vould not haff the media access... And even if they had, certainly nobody would pay attention. Well, almost nobody. Ehm... Verdammt. Hans, just put her on ze plane to Hawaii. Der plan is off."
Again, unverified hearsay. I can post that I am a multi-billionaire. The fact that I wrote that about myself doesn't necessarily make it true, does it?
Yeah.. alright. A letter by Obama on Official White House Letterhead, read live to an audience of over 1000 celebrating the 100 year anniversary of a hospital in Hawaii that was attended by Republican Governor Linda Lingle and the letter was read by Neil Ambercrombie.
and the fact that his COLB says he was born in Hawaii
Two Hawaii Newspapers announced his birth
The 1961 Birth Index lists his birth in Hawaii
That's a lot of "hearsay" going on.
Of coures you have evidence to the contrary that hasn't been long debunked?
oy vey its like arguing with a 4 year old. Yes she has seen the original records. Can she use them without the expressed permission from Obama? No. Laws prevent her from doing so.
ORIGINAL records are kept not on site at the DoH . They can't. that would be over 3 million records they would have to keep paper versions of and store. That is a nightmare room to have in a small government building, which would need to be subjected to constant environment controls to make sure the paper records are not spoiled by Hawaii's tropical climate (anyone who has lived in Hawaii can tell you that humidity alone is enough to destroy paper).
many records are actually on microfiche. Machines that are no longer used at the DoH when they went completely digital in 2001.
Hawaiian officials claim to have seen the original in 2008, which means it CAN be accessed.
Obama has no excuse to withhold it, unless he's trying to hide something, which looks quite obvious at this point.
Interesting point about Hawaii's DHHL requirement. What they require now was changed after Obama released his incomplete birth record. Prior to that, an actual certified birth certificate (NOT certification of live birth) was required to circumvent the otherwise extensive verification process.
The previous DHHL requirement:
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In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.
Funny that... the Hawaii DHHL had stricter requirements than the DNC.
Not to mention the fact that under Hawaiian law, as previously noted, it is entirely possible for a person to have been born out of state and/or out of the country and still have a birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health.
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