From Elite Excellence to Mediocre Sameness: How Progressives Are Dumbing Down American Schools (illegal aliens, illegals)

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

I don't think he understand that "percentages" win elections not sheer numbers... 14.5% of poor in New York State doesn't explain why the entire state votes blue

Did you miss the population part? What's the population of NYC, Buffalo, etc., compared to New York's rural areas? Given that, how can the rest of the state's votes overcome the urban populations' votes?

Furthermore, NYC's poverty rate is 19.9%.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

Let's keep this in mind:

In FY 2009, black families comprised 33.3% of TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) families, non-Hispanic white families comprised 31.2%, and 28.8% were Hispanic.

"Characteristics and Financial Circumstances of TANF Recipients – Fiscal Year 2009". United States Department of Health and Human Services.

Good. Now compare those percentages to their demographic groups' percentage of the population as a whole.

Black: 13.1%
non-Hispanic White: 63%
Hispanic: 16.9%

Recognize the problem, yet?

Do you need help with the math?

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Seems to me you're making my point. The high percentage of poor in the high population cities keep electing Democrats. How's that working out for them? Are fewer on public assistance? Are their children getting better K-12 educations?

Your point was that the majority of the land mass in a state was red as if Land mass should dictate who the state votes for and not the actual people.

And as I already explained, the majority of poor people, live in the South, in states controlled by Republicans.

while poor people in those states indeed vote blue, Republicans still control those states, so no, i wasnt making your point. You have no valid point.

[HarryWho?]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Actually, I've lived all over the U.S. (though, yes, for decades in Illinois when I was raising my family), have travelled the world, and now live on a beach on the east coast.

Read the last paragraph of this post to learn more about why I so strongly believe the way I do:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/34986548-post165.html

You seem intelligent. Do you really believe democrats are trying to keep people ignorant to control them? Your partisan rants are cherry picked to prove your particular beliefs. Stats can be spun to fit almost any situation you wish. A case in point is your assertion that liberal cities are where the poor are concentrated and this causes the state to vote a particular way. The point being that rural areas haven't the population or the votes to counter. Lets take our stats from the us census.

New York population - 19,576,125
Poverty rate -14.9%

Texas population - 26,448,193
Poverty Rate - 17.4%

So how does your theory take that into account?

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Your point was that the majority of the land mass in a state was red as if Land mass should dictate who the state votes for and not the actual people.

And as I already explained, the majority of poor people, live in the South, in states controlled by Republicans.

while poor people in those states indeed vote blue, Republicans still control those states, so no, i wasnt making your point. You have no valid point.

Because they can't afford to live in the expensive liberal states.
There's a thread on that. They are coming to the south and living in the south because it's cheaper and affordable for them.

Poor people can't afford expensive cities/states.

You think we grow poor people in the south ?

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Indeed, they are fact:

The most segregated schools may not be in the states you’d expect - The Washington Post

Study: Income Inequality Most Pronounced in Blue States

Please read own link instead of blindly posting it.

This link defines segregation as Minority majority schools, But it doesnt define white majority schools as "Segregated"

From your link

West Virginia is the most integrated state across the board. The share of black students in majority-white schools is incredibly high — 92.6 percent.(West Virginia is 95% white)

To put it in plain words, the article is claiming that if you go to an all white school, we dont consider that segregation, but if you go to an all black school, that is segregation.


And as for your second link, Again, income inequality is not about the distance between the very top and the very bottom, that is a misinterpretation of the phrase. And misrepresents the argument.

Your link argues that the people in the top 25% of the Blue states earn 2.27 X what those in the bottom 25% of those states make and in the read states its 2.18 between the 2, but that has nothing ot do with actual wages.

Median income in Illinois and New York are 53,230 and 55,250 ; Where as median income in West Virginia and Mississippi are 38,400 and 36,900.

You are arguing everyone is poorer in the South so there is less "inequality" but that argument doesnt work when you actually know what that phrase is.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by HarryWho?

You seem intelligent. Do you really believe democrats are trying to keep people ignorant to control them? Your partisan rants are cherry picked to prove your particular beliefs. Stats can be spun to fit almost any situation you wish. A case in point is your assertion that liberal cities are where the poor are concentrated and this causes the state to vote a particular way. The point being that rural areas haven't the population or the votes to counter. Lets take our stats from the us census.

New York population - 19,576,125
Poverty rate -14.9%

Texas population - 26,448,193
Poverty Rate - 17.4%

So how does your theory take that into account?

And CA has even worse numbers.
But CA and TX have huge populations of illegals counted among the poor.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Your point was that the majority of the land mass in a state was red as if Land mass should dictate who the state votes for and not the actual people.

No. My point was that the poor clustered in big cities vote Democrat and swing the whole state.

And as I already explained, the majority of poor people, live in the South, in states controlled by Republicans.

As I've already stated, that's mathematically impossible.

Here's why, again:

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Poverty is more concentrated in cities. There simply aren't large enough cities in red states with enough of a population to outnumber the poor in blue state cities. The three most populous cities are NYC (8.34 million), LA (3.86 million), and Chicago (2.71 million). Poverty rates: 19.9%, 21.2%, and 22.1%, respectively. All 3 of the most populous cities are in blue states. There are significantly more poor people living in blue states. Percentage-wise, the majority of poor Americans live in large cities in blue states.





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[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

Because they can't afford to live in the expensive liberal states.
There's a thread on that. They are coming to the south and living in the south because it's cheaper and affordable for them.

Poor people can't afford expensive cities/states.

You think we grow poor people in the south ?

I do not understand why Conservatives have to lie about the fact that the South is poor as if it is a secret that someone let slip.

People who move to the South have high paying jobs waiting for them. I have yet to meet a single person who moved down here just because it is cheaper. In fact every snowbird I have ever talked too says cost are higher.

[HarryWho?]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

And CA has even worse numbers.
But CA and TX have huge populations of illegals counted among the poor.

I wasn't picking on Texas. It was just a comparison to prove a point. The problems run much deeper than partisan nonsense.