From Elite Excellence to Mediocre Sameness: How Progressives Are Dumbing Down American Schools (top 10, claim)

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

I do not understand why Conservatives have to lie about the fact that the South is poor as if it is a secret that someone let slip.

People who move to the South have high paying jobs waiting for them. I have yet to meet a single person who moved down here just because it is cheaper. In fact every snowbird I have ever talked too says cost are higher.

LOL..the South has been poor for how many hundreds of years now ?

The "poor" can rent apartments or even homes for $500-600 a month.
Hard to come by in your northern urban cities now isn't it ?

And you talking to snowbirds (people that own 2 homes) is how you compare that to poor people ?

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

No. My point was that the poor clustered in big cities vote Democrat and swing the whole state.
As I've already stated, that's mathematically impossible.

Here's why, again:

its not just poor clusters in those states, The populations of NYC,Chicago and their suburbs make up more than half the populations of their states.


And the below quote is funny

=InformedConsent;35001783]That's mathematically impossible. Here's why: Poverty is more concentrated in cities. There simply aren't large enough cities in red states with enough of a population to outnumber the poor in blue state cities. The three most populous cities are NYC (8.34 million), LA (3.86 million), and Chicago (2.71 million). Poverty rates: 19.9%, 21.2%, and 22.1%, respectively. All 3 of the most populous cities are in blue states. There are significantly more poor people living in blue states. Percentage-wise, the majority of poor Americans live in large cities in blue states.

The 3 Largest cities in the nation are indeed in blue States, but 4 of the 11 Biggest cities in the Nation are in Texas.Houston(#4), Dallas(#9) San Antonio(#7) and Austin(#11), Phoenix is the 6th largest city in the nation and it is in Arizona.

Half the top 10 largest cities are in the South. You are arguing that since the largest cities are in blue states, then poverty couldnt possibly be concentrated in the South, And that is truly willful ignorance.

Why are we even having this debate instead of simply posting poverty rates by state

List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

its not just poor clusters in those states, The populations of NYC,Chicago and their suburbs make up more than half the populations of their states.


And the below quote is funny



The 3 Largest cities in the nation are indeed in blue States, but 4 of the 11 Biggest cities in the Nation are in Texas.Houston(#4), Dallas(#9) San Antonio(#7) and Austin(#11), Phoenix is the 6th largest city in the nation and it is in Arizona.

Half the top 10 largest cities are in the South. You are arguing that since the largest cities are in blue states, then poverty couldnt possibly be concentrated in the South, And that is truly willful ignorance.

Why are we even having this debate instead of simply posting poverty rates by state

List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CA, AZ and TX are heavily populated with illegals who are undereducated, unskilled and work for very little money. And since they are illegal they only add to the problem of poverty in those states.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

LOL..the South has been poor for how many hundreds of years now ?

The "poor" can rent apartments or even homes for $500-600 a month.
Hard to come by in your northern urban cities now isn't it ?

And you talking to snowbirds (people that own 2 homes) is how you compare that to poor people ?

My point was that poor Northerners are not moving down here to escape the cost of the North. (I live in the fasted growing county in the State of Alabama,and I work in retail. Any young person who moves down here is moving down here because they nowhave a 50 or 60,000 dollar a year job at Austal, Ingals, or Northrup Grummen, not because it is cheaper to live here than it is to live up north. I have never met a single person who moved down here for the reasons you claimed.

[HarryWho?]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

No. My point was that the poor clustered in big cities vote Democrat and swing the whole state.
As I've already stated, that's mathematically impossible.

Here's why, again:

You should really post the explanation that appears below Figure 2:

As shown in Figure 2, poverty rates remained about the same across metropolitan areas in 2012 (14.6 percent poor in 2011 and 14.5 percent and 38.0 million in 2012). Suburban areas saw an increase, with poverty rates reaching their highest level (11.2 percent) since the mid-1960s. Rural poverty rates increased to 17.7 percent, which is higher than at any point since 1986.

This can be found at:Who is poor? | Institute for Research on Poverty | University of Wisconsin–Madison

Figure 3 and it's explanation is interesting also.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by HarryWho?

You seem intelligent. Do you really believe democrats are trying to keep people ignorant to control them?

Control them? No. Guarantee a significantly large dumb and poor voter base that they know historically votes 2/3 Democrat? Yes.

Either that or they're blatantly racist.

YOU explain why Democrats insist on trapping Black and Hispanic students in their abysmally performing public schools. How do you not see that doing so educationally and therefore socioeconomically oppresses those two demographic groups disproportionately?

The point being that rural areas haven't the population or the votes to counter. Lets take our stats from the us census.

New York population - 19,576,125
Poverty rate -14.9%

Texas population - 26,448,193
Poverty Rate - 17.4%

So how does your theory take that into account?

Population in Texas is more spread out. For example, while Texas has a larger population than New York, the largest city in Texas is Houston, population 2,195,914. That's only about 1/4 the population of NYC. Therefore the concentrated areas of poverty in Texas can't swing the whole state. Also consider the fact that many of the poor living in Texas are illegal aliens (1.7 million, New York only has 750,000) and are not eligible to vote. Their U.S. born children are eligible for public assistance benefits, so they're included in the poverty rate statistics, but the illegal adults can't vote.

Note that areas of Texas do overwhelmingly vote Democrat, they just are not populous enough on their own to overwhelm the rest of the state.

Texas Democrat U.S. Representatives:
Al Green
Rubén Hinojosa
Beto O'Rourke
Sheila Jackson Lee
Joaquín Castro
Pete Gallego
Henry Cuellar
Gene Green
Eddie Bernice Johnson
Marc Veasey
Filemon Vela
Lloyd Doggett

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

CA, AZ and TX are heavily populated with illegals who are undereducated, unskilled and work for very little money. And since they are illegal they only add to the problem of poverty in those states.

I cant find this map by itself so im just going to post the link.

Map: Illegal immigrant population by state.

if you pull out all the illegals then Texas still trumps every state.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

I cant find this map by itself so im just going to post the link.

Map: Illegal immigrant population by state.

if you pull out all the illegals then Texas still trumps every state.

And this fixation on southern poverty means exactly what for the decline of education ?

Scores of NYC students are at their worst with barely 40% passing the state tests.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

And this fixation on southern poverty means exactly what for the decline of education ?

Scores of NYC students are at their worst with barely 40% passing the state tests.

And yet NEw York Test Scores are still better than every South State except North Carolina and Arkansas.

[HarryWho?]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Control them? No. Guarantee a significantly large dumb and poor voter base that they know historically votes 2/3 Democrat? Yes.

Either that or they're blatantly racist.

YOU explain why Democrats insist on trapping Black and Hispanic students in their abysmally performing public schools. How do you not see that doing so educationally and therefore socioeconomically oppresses those two demographic groups disproportionately?

Population in Texas is more spread out. For example, while Texas has a larger population than New York, the largest city in Texas is Houston, population 2,195,914. That's only about 1/4 the population of NYC. Therefore the concentrated areas of poverty in Texas can't swing the whole state. Also consider the fact that many of the poor living in Texas are illegal aliens (1.7 million, New York only has 750,000) and are not eligible to vote. Their U.S. born children are eligible for public assistance benefits, so they're included in the poverty rate statistics, but the illegal adults can't vote.

Note that areas of Texas do overwhelmingly vote Democrat, they just are not populous enough on their own to overwhelm the rest of the state.

Texas Democrat U.S. Representatives:
Al Green
Rubén Hinojosa
Beto O'Rourke
Sheila Jackson Lee
Joaquín Castro
Pete Gallego
Henry Cuellar
Gene Green
Eddie Bernice Johnson
Marc Veasey
Filemon Vela
Lloyd Doggett

So your point is that there are democrats in Texas but not enough to sway the vote. And there are republicans in New York, but not enough to sway the vote. OK.