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Old 01-25-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
you seriously can't want woman's health care providers to spend their time doing police work and just skip health issues all together?
In this case, the so-called women's health care advocates didn't have to do police work .... the shoddy conditions were paraded right in front of their eyes.

From the grand jury's report .....

To be certified by NAF, a provider must submit to an on-site inspection and
complete a detailed questionnaire designed to determine whether the provider complies
with NAF’s standards. After the initial approval and certification, members must
complete questionnaires annually. NAF re-inspects members every five to seven years, or
more often if there is a complication or a serious event with a patient.
Gosnell submitted an application to become a NAF member in November 2009 –
apparently, and astonishingly, the day after Karnamaya Mongar died. The NAF evaluator
conducted a site review on December 14 and 15, 2009. Despite the odd fact that
Gosnell’s decision to seek NAF certification coincided with a patient’s death at his clinic,
he made no mention of this significant event to the evaluator before she visited. In fact, it
was not until their final interview, after she had spent two days with Gosnell at the
facility, that he informed her of Mrs. Mongar’s death.


In preparation for NAF’s visit, Latosha Lewis said that Gosnell and his wife
frantically cleaned the facility. The doctor bought new lounge chairs to replace the
bloody ones that were there, although by February 18, 2010, they were filthy again. He
also re-hired former employee Della Mann, a registered nurse who was a friend of Randy
Hutchins and a patient of Eileen O’Neill.
Randy Hutchins referred Ms. Mann to Gosnell because the doctor had told
Hutchins that he wanted to hire a registered nurse “for a short amount of time.” Mann had
worked at the clinic years earlier. But in fact, Gosnell was not offering Mann a real job –
he was paying to use her license for a few days. Gosnell hired Mann, at $31 an hour, to
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work 6:00 to 9:00 p.m., Mondays and Tuesdays only. He told her that he wanted her to
look at charts, evaluate lab work, and initial patient charts as if she – a licensed nurse –
had been the person who had taken vital signs and recorded information in the charts.
This short-term job lasted four days and coincided with the NAF site review. Mann
said she quit because she was uncomfortable with Gosnell’s fraud, which included paying
her with a check, then taking the check back and giving her cash. Gosnell accomplished
what he intended: He ostensibly had a licensed registered nurse on his staff – and her
license number in his files – during the NAF review.


Despite these efforts, the NAF review did not go well. The first thing the evaluator
noted when she arrived at 3801 Lancaster Avenue was the lack of an effective security
system. Although the door was locked, when she rang the bell, no one answered. Even
though she could not gain entry by ringing, she was able to walk right in when a man
exited the clinic. Once inside, she found that the facility was packed with so much “stuff,
kind of crowded and piled all over the place,” that she couldn’t find a space to put her
small overnight bag. She found the facility’s layout confusing, and was concerned that
patients could not find their way around it or out of it. She was also concerned that there
were plants everywhere, including in the procedure room and rooms designated as “labs.”


Most alarming was the bed where Gosnell told her out-of-state patients were allowed to
spend the night. These patients were unattended and it was difficult to locate the
bathroom facilities and the exits. Such a practice does not meet NAF protocols.
The NAF evaluator watched a few first-trimester procedures. She noticed that no
one was monitoring or taking vital signs of patients who were sedated during procedures.
She asked Gosnell about the pulse oximeter that should have been used for monitoring,
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but he told her it was broken. Apparently, Karnamaya Mongar’s death a month earlier
had not caused Gosnell to obtain equipment that worked.


The evaluator did not observe Gosnell’s practice of allowing unlicensed workers
to sedate patients when he was not at the facility, as she was there only when Gosnell was
there. Such a practice would not comply with NAF standards.


The evaluator did note, however, that while she was talking to Gosnell in his
office, a patient appeared to have been sedated by one of the staff. Such an action does
not comport with NAF standards either. The evaluator cautioned Gosnell that he should
make sure he was complying with state requirements because many states – including
Pennsylvania – do not allow unlicensed workers to administer IV medications.
The level of medication administered was also troubling to the evaluator. She
testified that Gosnell’s own description of the effects of his routine second-trimester dose
– that the patient would feel no pain at all – was a description of deep sedation. She
added: “that … would really not be a safe situation … for him to be handling himself.”
She explained that when deep sedation or general anesthesia is administered, NAF
standards not only require that the doctor performing the procedure be present when the
anesthesia is administered, they also require that another doctor or an anesthesiologist
administer the sedation and monitor the patient. Instead, Gosnell had Lynda Williams,
Sherry West, and his other unlicensed workers routinely administer anesthesia without
proper supervision or appropriate monitoring of patients.


The evaluator explained to the Grand Jury, as did several medical experts, that
because everyone reacts differently to anesthesia, a doctor has to be prepared for a patient
to slip into a level of sedation beyond that intended. In cases in which Gosnell’s objective
was deep sedation, therefore, he should have been prepared for the patient to react as if
under general anesthesia. Significantly, it is not uncommon for patients under general
anesthesia to lose the ability to breathe on their own.
Gosnell’s clinic – without the drugs, staff, or equipment necessary to monitor,
resuscitate, or assist his patients in breathing – was not even close to meeting NAF
standards or any other standard of care. The evaluator noted that Pennsylvania requires
that anesthesia be administered only by licensed personnel, a regulation that Gosnell
failed to follow even during the NAF review.


Aside from these life-threatening practices, the evaluator noted numerous
deficiencies in the clinic’s recordkeeping, including no notation of RH blood-typing and
no record of sedation medications administered or the level of sedation. The clinic’s
consent procedures also failed to meet NAF standards. Even with the evaluator watching,
patients were not being informed of the risks of the medications, the sedation, or the
procedure itself.
The evaluator testified that during the “counseling” she witnessed, a patient was
told that Pennsylvania requires a 24-hour waiting period between when a patient is
counseled and when the abortion can be performed. After stating the requirement,
however, the counselor, according to the evaluator, said: “Okay, well. When do you want
to come back for the abortion? Do you want to come back at 8 p.m.?” When the patient’s
mother said, “but I thought we had to wait 24 hours,” the staff person responded, “if you
want to come back at 8 p.m., you can come back at 8 p.m.”


Patient confidentiality is another important standard for NAF, and another that
Gosnell flagrantly violated. The evaluator was troubled to find:
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Throughout the office, there were patient charts
everywhere. On desks, on this – the area in that upstairs
sleeping area by the sleeping room. There were piles and
piles and piles of medical records. That was – if that were
in an area that was closed off and nobody had access to it,
charts being stored there weren’t a big deal, but if there
were patients in the sleeping room, who had to leave there
to go to the restroom, they had full access to all of these
people’s medical information if they wanted to look
through it, it was very, very concerning to me.


When asked if she had ever seen anything like the conditions and practices she
observed at Gosnell’s clinic in any of the roughly one hundred clinics she has visited in
the United States, Canada, and Mexico, the evaluator answered: “No.”


Based on her observations, the evaluator determined that there were far too many
deficiencies at the clinic and in how it operated to even consider admitting Gosnell to
NAF membership. On January 4, 2010, she wrote to Gosnell informing him of NAF’s
decision and outlining the areas in which his clinic was not in compliance. The evaluator
told the Grand Jury that this was the first time in her experience that NAF had outright
rejected a provider for membership. Usually, if a clinic is able to fix deficiencies and
come into compliance with the standards, NAF will admit them. Gosnell’s clinic,
however, was deemed beyond redemption.


We understand that NAF’s goal is to assist clinics to comply with its standards,
not to sanction them for deficiencies. Nevertheless, we have to question why an evaluator
from NAF, whose stated mission is to ensure safe, legal, and acceptable abortion care,
and to promote health and justice for women, did not report Gosnell to authorities.

So women's health advocates came, saw and did absolutely nothing. What a caring group they are.
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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All your grand jury report proves is that Gosnell's clinic applied to the National Abortion Federation to get certification and they were it turned down about a year ago. You have no proof what so ever that they "did absolutely nothing" about what they saw at the clinic during their inspection. You don't know if the NAF tried to report their findings to medical ethics boards, law enforcement people, etc., or not. What we do know for sure is that their inspector testified before a grand jury about the reasons why Gosnell's clinic failed to get certified to become a member of their group. The National Abortion Federation (NAF) is the professional association of abortion providers, they have no authority to shut down clinics or whatever else you are suggesting they didn't do. The Gosnell clinic has also never been a member of the NAF.

From your quoted transcript:
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Based on her observations, the evaluator determined that there were far too many deficiencies at the clinic and in how it operated to even consider admitting Gosnell to
NAF membership.
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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All your grand jury report proves is that Gosnell's clinic applied to the National Abortion Federation to get certification and they were it turned down about a year ago. You have no proof what so ever that they "did absolutely nothing" about what they saw at the clinic during their inspection. You don't know if the NAF tried to report their findings to medical ethics boards, law enforcement people, etc., or not. What we do know for sure is that their inspector testified before a grand jury about the reasons why Gosnell's clinic failed to get certified to become a member of their group. The National Abortion Federation (NAF) is the professional association of abortion providers, they have no authority to shut down clinics or whatever else you are suggesting they didn't do. The Gosnell clinic has also never been a member of the NAF.

From your quoted transcript:
" Nevertheless, we have to question why an evaluator
from NAF, whose stated mission is to ensure safe, legal, and acceptable abortion care,
and to promote health and justice for women, did not report Gosnell to authorities."

Is the grand jury in error?
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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" Nevertheless, we have to question why an evaluator
from NAF, whose stated mission is to ensure safe, legal, and acceptable abortion care,
and to promote health and justice for women, did not report Gosnell to authorities."

Is the grand jury in error?
No we don't have to question why the evaluator from NAF didn't report Gosnell to authorities because THERE ISN'T ANY PROOF THAT THEY DIDN'T TRY TO DO THAT.The grand jury isn't gathering facts to use against the NAF, you don't seem to understand. They are not going to be on trial here. They are gathering facts against the clinic.

By the way, how about giving us a link to your grand jury transcripts so we can read directly from the source........
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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No we don't have to question why the evaluator from NAF didn't report Gosnell to authorities because THERE ISN'T ANY PROOF THAT THEY DIDN'T TRY TO DO THAT.The grand jury isn't gathering facts to use against the NAF, you don't seem to understand. They are not going to be on trial here. They are gathering facts against the clinic.

By the way, how about giving us a link to your grand jury transcripts so we can read directly from the source........
The report says they did not report Gosnell to authorities. My guess is NAF would be busily grasping at any proof available if it could demonstrate they had made an attempt.

Meanwhile, they did give the caring folks of NAF something to do .....

14. We recommend that the National Abortion Federation reconsider the inclusion
of Atlantic Women’s Medical Services in Delaware in its membership.
We recommend that NAF reassess the membership of Atlantic Women’s Medical
Services, the Delaware abortion clinic where Gosnell worked part-time before losing his
license in that state.

We learned that at least six patients were referred from Atlantic to
Gosnell’s clinic in Philadelphia for illegal late-term abortions. These patients paid
Atlantic for late-term procedures performed by Gosnell in his Lancaster Avenue clinic.
We heard evidence that Gosnell would insert laminaria in patients in Delaware and then
have them come to his Philadelphia office for the abortion procedure itself. The director
of Atlantic Women’s Medical Services, Leroy Brinkley, was unconcerned. He did not
properly supervise the doctors he hired as “independent contractors” to assure that they
were complying with the law. Remarkably, despite Gosnell’s long time association with
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Atlantic, Brinkley only produced three files for patients seen by Gosnell at Brinkley’s
clinic.

It would seem either NAF's clinic failed to inspect Gosnell's clinic before allowing him to take NAF patients there, or they HAD inspected it and decided it was good enough.
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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It would seem either NAF's clinic failed to inspect Gosnell's clinic before allowing him to take NAF patients there, or they HAD inspected it and decided it was good enough.
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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This is no different than all of the social workers that are supposed to keep track of children in the foster care system. Some kids fall through the cracks.

Every so often you hear of a child being horribly abused, even murdered, by their foster parents and the social worker assigned to that child doesn't have a clue. Should we ban foster care?

Children have been abused and killed by their adoptive parents.......should we ban adoption?

Let's ban adoption and foster care and put all of these children in government run institutions where they can be monitored 24/7.

Because things like this happen, does that mean that all of the people involved in child care don't really care about children?

This incident doesn't say anything about legal abortion...........it just says that there are bad people, there are incompetent people, in all facets of society.
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:58 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Yes, Zimbochick, she is fishing and trying take the heat away from the PA Department of Health that is suppose to be the first line of defense to prevent this type of thing from happening in their state.

Annie53: I couldn't agree more.
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Old 01-25-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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Yes, Zimbochick, she is fishing and trying take the heat away from the PA Department of Health that is suppose to be the first line of defense to prevent this type of thing from happening in their state.

Annie53: I couldn't agree more.
Oh I agree the PA Department of Health totally screwed up. However, it is hilarious to look at the NAF website and watch them run over everyone trying to distance themselves from any involvement. Let's see if they terminate membership of the women's health facility that sent its patients to this cesspool, and even hired this serial killer to work in its NAF-approved facility.
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Old 01-25-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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This incident doesn't say anything about legal abortion...........it just says that there are bad people, there are incompetent people, in all facets of society.
Yep, and the promise made by pro-aborts that we'd never have to see this again after the passing of Roe v Wade was never kept.
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