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Four sentences ... four attempts at humor or insults ... ZERO content of a legitimate nature.
Why add to the posts I have already provided when you have proven incapable of responding to them? Step up the table Guy or go back to setting peridots in sterling silver.
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And the video posted that refutes the "motor" is a sophomoric slight of hand presentation.
The video proves that the specific example of the bacterial flagellum as a demonstration of "irreducible complexity" is a lie. What more do we need?
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The inbuilt lie of omission here is that 20 of those parts taken away can not be found ANYWHERE else in the system ... totally unique to the motor, serving no other function.
You are making stuff up again, of course. He explicitly points out that almost every other protein in the flagellum is also homologous to other functioning proteins that are independently found in bacteria. He picked the single most powerful representative example to discuss in detail... the one that proves most dramatically that the ID claim is a lie.
Are there a handful of proteins that are unique to the current flagellum? Of course... there are. That's why its a flagellum now, and no longer a TTSS. They are the refinements added to the flagellum by natural selection over time.
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So the presenter is either totally ignorant of the topic, or he's related to you, and is lying his rear end off.
Do you honestly not know who that presenter is?
I am again surprised at how willing you are to argue in fields you know completely nothing about. If you don't know Kenneth Miller, then you've never spent the tiniest effort to understand ID and the response of real scientists to it.
The arguement for intelligent design is that life and the universe are complex and we humans, with our current level of knowledge, can't explain every piece of the puzzle with science. Therefore there must be an intelligent designer behind everything.
How does this differ from primitive cultures that have religions based on spirits that exist in every living (and/or non-living) thing? Or that believe the weather is determined by an angry or happy god? The sun moves across the sky because it's pulled by a supernatural horse. Or that we need to sacrifice virgins to the volcano to appease the gods? All of these cultures had limits to their knowledge, and attributed what they couldn't explain to a supernatural being(s) or some supernatural force.
In what way is "intelligent design theory" any different? It's the simple way out when we don't want to make the effort to utilize science to discover and explain the facts.
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Just because you don't understand what I'm talking about, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.
That's okay. We rely entirely on you to demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about.
For example... you write:
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Now, tell me ... given that "natural selection" is said to play a major role in the "evolutionary" process .... just how did natural selection play any role in the creation of life before that original organism (to which all other things are supposed to have evolved from) achieved the ability to reproduce?
It didn't.
Duh.
Only a hopeless amateur who doesn't know the first thing about how natural selection works or what it even is would even ask such a stupid question.
What you have pulled here is the classic creationist abandonment of the field. All your arguments having been proven worthless, you leave evolution completely and change subjects to abiogensis.
It's the ultimate expression of "the incredible shrinking creation model," and it proves that creationism (and its ID child) are intellectually vacuous.
Evolution explains the origin and diversity of species, not the origin of life. Your fall back to abiogenesis is a concession of the entire argument.
The arguement for intelligent design is that life and the universe is complex and we, with our current level of knowledge we can't explain every piece of the puzzle with science. Therefore there must be an intelligent designer behind everything.
Pretty much. And the intelligent designer must be more complex than his creation.
Which is why ID is utterly worthless as an explanation for anything. It's a bare-faced postulate:A hyper-complex entity exists, created everything, and that ends it. Oh, and we won't tell you who the creator is, but - well, it rhymes with Todd.
Time. Time. What is time? Swiss manufacture it. French hoard it. Italians squander it. Americans say it is money. Hindus say it does not exist. Do you know what I say? I say time is a crook.
Julius O'Hara (Peter Lorre) in Beat the Devil (1953).
Assuming space exists (necessary for an eternal Universe) along with a place from which to observe time, and if the material Universe were eternal as you propose, the present moment would never arrive from eternity past since it would be forever in the infinite future.
Wrong.
You are essentially falling for Zeno's paradox... something that we all knew was not true thousands of years ago. Achilles really can catch the turtle.
To get to now from one year ago, you only need one year. It is a good thing that we actually have had that one year, because as we all know, it really is now.
To get to now from one million years ago, you need one million years. It is a good thing that we actually have had that one million years, because as we all know, it really is now.
To get to now from an infinite number of years ago, you need an infinite number of years. It is a good thing that we actually have had that infinite number of years, because as we all know, it really is now.
No matter how old the universe is... we still end up at now.
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