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Old 03-15-2011, 08:55 AM
 
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Why is welfare the only way parents can provide for their kids? What I am "pro" is NOT murdering the unborn and parents being as responsible as possible. That doesn't mean keeping your hand out as much as you can, while watching your cable TV and wearing your giant gold earrings while paying for your soda and Pop Rocks with food stamps.

Generations of my family were poor and did what they could to feed their children as healthy as they could. I guess they should have never been born, then, or should have tried to milk what they could off the gov't.

Your argument is tired.

 
Old 03-15-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Earth
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So apparently you are only "pro-life" up until birth and after the child is born you couldn't care less?
As are most of the anti-choicers.
Funny how they're usually men.
 
Old 03-15-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Now you're getting it. Good work. The next thing is to greatly curb welfare, of course.

There is nothing wrong with the power going back to the states. There are tons of situations where some have more advantage than others, and that's what comes from living in a free, democratic republic and not a socialist (well, not totally yet) country nor a communist country.
And how do you plan to curb welfare if you force women who cannot afford to care for a child to have babies they cannot support?

What is your plan?

Should the governmnent take children away from poor mothers?

Should we let children freeze to death or starve if their mother cannot afford housing or food?

Should we forcibly sterilize men and women who have more children than they can support?

What is the plan?
 
Old 03-15-2011, 09:06 AM
 
Location: California
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Default Can you be moral if you support abortion?

Of course you can unless a person uses it as birth control.
 
Old 03-15-2011, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Why is welfare the only way parents can provide for their kids? What I am "pro" is NOT murdering the unborn and parents being as responsible as possible. That doesn't mean keeping your hand out as much as you can, while watching your cable TV and wearing your giant gold earrings while paying for your soda and Pop Rocks with food stamps.

Generations of my family were poor and did what they could to feed their children as healthy as they could. I guess they should have never been born, then, or should have tried to milk what they could off the gov't.

Your argument is tired.
Just because your family managed to feed and care for the family without the help of welfare doesn't mean everyone can do the same. But I have a feeling it's something you will never understand, simply because I get the feeling you DON'T WANT to understand it. I do understand most who use welfare or even just food stamps because I've been there, done that (for a short time, 30 years ago) and the application process is horribly degrading. Had I not had 3 kids to feed, I wouldn't have bothered.
 
Old 03-15-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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But I have a feeling it's something you will never understand, simply because I get the feeling you DON'T WANT to understand it.
Exactly how I feel about the abortion folks who just do not get what could possible be wrong with it.

These threads/discussions are pointless, because in most cases neither side will have a change of mind. These threads are only started for argument's sake.
 
Old 03-15-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The passage of time and the building of additional cells.


Yeah, but how can you tell when the change from a non-person to a person is complete?
 
Old 03-15-2011, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Moral relativism is the reason why killing the unborn is "ok".
This isn't a moral issue whatsoever. Fetuses aren't people, they're a clump of cells that one day may become a human. Unless your god decides to abort the fetus which he seems to be the world's number one abortionist by the way. You can paint it all the colors of a moral issue but it's not. It's about control and the government having full reign over people's bodies.

You're not pro-"life." You're pro-government control. I'm pro-life. I want to live my life to the fullest extent possible and I want others to be afforded the same measure. I don't believe in the government controlling what medical procedures we can get, who we can marry, what we can put in our bodies, etc. As long as we don't violate the rights of another human being the government can stay the hell out of my business.

A woman's body is here body, it's her's no one else has say over that body. You want a woman to be beholden to a clump of cells and a government bureaucrat.
 
Old 03-15-2011, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yeah, but how can you tell when the change from a non-person to a person is complete?
You make an educated guess. Just like everytime a doctor makes any diagnosis, he is making an educated guess. That does not mean you do away with medicine altogether.
 
Old 03-15-2011, 09:54 AM
 
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So our enemies that want to kill us aren't immoral? I guess you see our enemies as innocent.
I never posted that.

I believe lying is immoral, obviously you don't.

I was responding to a poster who said they believed it was wrong to take an innocent human life.

I responded that he must then be against war since it takes innocent human lives....and it does...innocent civilians are killed in all wars.
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