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Old 03-14-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jeffington View Post
You certainly do, and if there is a Hell, you will reside there for quite some time, perhaps permanently.
You remind me of a certain priest at a Catholic church I no longer attend.

Funny how conservatives that claim to be nice are actually judgmental.

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Let me give it a try. An infant is not a person, if it was a person, it would be called a person, not an infant.

Boy, being a liberal is EASY!!!!
You can give humans a lot of names...

boy, girl, man, woman, teen, kid, baby, infant, senior citizen

but those are all synonyms for human

fetus is not a synonym for human

 
Old 03-14-2011, 08:53 PM
 
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You remind me of a certain priest at a Catholic church I no longer attend.

Funny how conservatives that claim to be nice are actually judgmental.



You can give humans a lot of names...

boy, girl, man, woman, teen, kid, baby, infant, senior citizen

but those are all synonyms for human

fetus is not a synonym for human
Fetus definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

8 wks until birth = fetus, according to this definition.
So you would say that, the day before a full-term baby is born, it is not a human. Huh.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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Fetus definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

8 wks until birth = fetus, according to this definition.
So you would say that, the day before a full-term baby is born, it is not a human. Huh.
Your rights don't apply until you have a birth certificate.

Fetuses don't contribute to the population count.

Fetuses are not people.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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Great question OP. I tend to think of it as more a philiosphical one than political.

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If you believe a fetus is a person then you cannot morally support abortion.
If on the other hand you believe a fetus is not a person then yes you can support abortion and be a moral person.
Casper
I don't think a fetus a person. It's a fetus. An egg isn't a bird.

I don't support the taking of life. At the same time if someone burst thru my door and attacked me I have no compunction about taking their life, I think. (I would be traumatized.)

I think certain things are permissible under certain conditions but we aren't always the best judge of what those conditions are.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Burdell responded to "Freedom of choice for whom?" with "Human beings capable of making a choice."

It follows that humans beings NOT capable of making a choice (such as the unborn, such as some disabled, such as some mentally disturbed) should not be offered said choice.

Not sure how this is difficult to understand. Unless you haven't covered deductive reasoning in your high school classes, yet.
Sorry, but deductive reasoning does NOT lead me to read into his post what you previously stated. Yes, if someone is not capable of making a choice, then that choice should not be offered to them. But, just because someone needs a caretaker to make most of their choices for them, does not mean "they should be killed", which is what you claimed before.

And, BTW, take a look at my profile before you presume to 'assist' me in logical thinking.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Fetus definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

8 wks until birth = fetus, according to this definition.
So you would say that, the day before a full-term baby is born, it is not a human. Huh.
Why does it matter. Under the law you cannot abort a baby/fetus on demand the day before it would be considered full-term.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 09:04 PM
 
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Your rights don't apply until you have a birth certificate.

Fetuses don't contribute to the population count.

Fetuses are not people.
Wow.
And with that, I bow out.

You've just answered your own "am I moral?" question, and that's even taking into account what I kindly said before, about morality being subjective. Good luck to you.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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No.

Abortion is the taking of an innocent life which no one has the right to take.

I agree. You can't support the taking of life and be moral.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 09:09 PM
 
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Your rights don't apply until you have a birth certificate.
Note to self: Remember to fulfill my dream of wanting to kill a third world savage justifiably by finding some remote Pacific Island that doesn't make much of a concerted effort to formalize birth reporting records and kill some of the island savages who don't have a birth certificate, since they have no rights as human beings, lacking the correct piece of paper which was mentioned prior as a necessary requisite of rights.

Legal positivism, for the win. This is good news indeed.

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Old 03-14-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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I agree. You can't support the taking of life and be moral.
Then do you think being pro-life automatically make someone moral?
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