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Can it live outside the host (mother)? If not, it is nothing more than a parasite at this stage. Harsh way of saying it but true.
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So you want LARGER government and a nanny state. Okay. How are you suggesting this get paid for?
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The women's clinic I go to charges $150 for the visit minus the tests.
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Have you ever tried to get one of these things? They are barely covered by insurance if you are lucky enough to have insurance. At Planned Parenthood, 8 years ago, it was $400 WITH insurance and $600 without insurance. How many poor women can afford that? How many lower income women can afford that?
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Walmart isn't everywhere. How about someone who doesn't live near one?
What is absolutely uncivilized is the poverty-pretenders sitting around in their drunken/drug addled/lazy stupors, expecting every one of their needs to be met with other people's money.
Civilized is paying for your own food, clothing and shelter.
Civilized is paying for your own children.
Civilized is not attacking the very people that don't give enough, because you think they owe you more.
Civilized is expecting people to pull their own weight, and when you peacefully give that opinion, you aren't told to leave your own country because it hasn't become the Left's socialist utopia fast enough.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't raise them every time they spent more than they took in.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't take mine to bribe voters in the name of subsidies, grants and exemptions.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't give financial assistance to foreign countries and foreign companies.
My taxes would be lower if the government stayed out of my freaking business, and let me keep my own money, allowing me to make my own decisions about who I want to assist.
News Flash for Libs: I would donate a LOT of my own money to many different causes, but right now I can't because I'm barely able to put money on my own table, and save for my own retirement.
What is absolutely uncivilized is the poverty-pretenders sitting around in their drunken/drug addled/lazy stupors, expecting every one of their needs to be met with other people's money.
Civilized is paying for your own food, clothing and shelter.
Civilized is paying for your own children.
Civilized is not attacking the very people that don't give enough, because you think they owe you more.
Civilized is expecting people to pull their own weight, and when you peacefully give that opinion, you aren't told to leave your own country because it hasn't become the Left's socialist utopia fast enough.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't raise them every time they spent more than they took in.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't take mine to bribe voters in the name of subsidies, grants and exemptions.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't give financial assistance to foreign countries and foreign companies.
My taxes would be lower if the government stayed out of my freaking business, and let me keep my own money, allowing me to make my own decisions about who I want to assist.
News Flash for Libs: I would donate a LOT of my own money to many different causes, but right now I can't because I'm barely able to put money on my own table, and save for my own retirement.
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The government will never sterilize them, will never let the children starve, will never take their children away because they don't have money to buy food......the only thing left is to try to educate, provide low cost or free contraception and keep abortion available as an option. That is the way I see it...............
That is the way it has been done. Obviously it isn't working. Insanity is continuing to throw money at a 30+ year social policy that is obviously failed.
With freedom comes responsibility. It is way past time for people to again take responsibility for their own lives instead of expecting government, via taxpayers, to step in and fill the gaps for everyone not willing to so do. There will always be some who truly are not able. Thus drastic cuts in social programs rather than eliminating them all together. At this time the country is broke from throwing good money after bad. We can only afford to help the most needy of the poor via forced taxation for social entitlement programs. Private charity will have to fill the gap.
There was one woman at the visitation center I volunteered at who had TEN (count 'em, TEN) kids, all of whom were removed from her custody.
Women behaving that way have a common thread. Each one of them has been raised to believe God decided they're good for nothing more than making babies. Their 'lot in life' is to land a man to provide for them, which warps the concept of marriage into 'socially respectable' prostitution. That's all this select group knows for multiple generations. It was installed in them through wrongful religious interpretations. Are these cults dictating conduct by gender being held responsible to carry their own load as Amish do? Not at all! They're protected by 'freedom of religion' clause and reinforced by secular world because ERA still isn't on the books. History of the Attleboro "Body"
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...journal entries of group members over the preceding two years indicate that personal "revelations" from God began to take precedence over the Bible as God's written revelation. Eventually, the Bible became a meaningless book and the group's subjective experiences, dreams and visions became the true locus of authority and guidance. This created an environment where there were no checks and balances. Such environments are always very dangerous for any person. Anything can happen... and then be justified as God's will.
Make no mistake about it. There is equality & instruction to embrace free will for both genders in the bible, but selective attention decided to suppress any such concept. When a denomination emphasizes 'obey the husband' at the expense of her relationship with her maker (blind obedience) it's a tell tale sign of malevolence emulating scriptural truth. No religion is immune.
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The average number of children born to women over a lifetime is at 2.03 - slightly below replacement level.
U.S. birth rates, population growth, and the environment - SUSPS
Why should the vast majority of all others refraining from having 10 kids be punished for what they haven't done? Feigned concern doesn't cut it. If I were a child today seeing you coming at me I'd run the other direction. Your misanthropic notions of charity and citizenship betray you when you hold them in contempt.
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My entire point here is that actions have consequences, at least if you're a conservative and have some morals. The liberals seem not to think this way and it really does perpetuate the problem.
Your actions merit consequences. Why are you permitted to work with any distressed child? Why are like minded individuals permitted to hide out under the guise of 'helping to facilitate adoption' while they hatefully engage snide commentary running women off from the option? Or WORSE...
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In 1981, under dubious legal circumstances, Nussbaum and Steinberg took custody of an infant girl they named Lisa. The girl's birth mother had paid Steinberg a $500.00 legal fee to place the child with a Roman Catholic family; both Steinberg and Nussbaum were Jewish.[5] Under similar circumstances, Nussbaum and Steinberg later took in a toddler they named Mitchell. Nussbaum and Steinberg never legally adopted either child.
Hedda Nussbaum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That's the byproduct of 'privatization' putting itself above scrutiny and having no standard at all imposed. Dig deeper into the details of Hedda's life, you hear a woman conditioned to worship men in place of her God. The common thread of sickness installed in a womans mind by false religious interpretations socially/culturally upheld as 'normal' just keeps popping up again and again and again.
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The church members claimed initially that the children were abandoned or orphaned, but it was later learned that many of them had families who gave them to the group with hopes of a better life. Their case was also marred by revelations that a man who acted as their legal adviser is wanted on charges in El Salvador, including for human trafficking, and the US.
These are not atheists, not liberals, and not Christians, but folks who prefer to bear false witness making things up as they went along. US missionaries: Lessons from Haiti adoption or 'child kidnapping' case - CSMonitor.com
Are we screening these people? Sane & conscientious people are getting abundant evidence of what actually demands substantive reform in foreign and domestic policies alike.
There's nothing moral about what's passing itself off as conservative. They deny all responsibility, but they're the 1st in line to gather the credit for work they never performed and investments they never made. Easy enough for Newt Gingrich to rely on cliff notes version of the Bible, which might explain his track record with 'family values' in his own life.
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Back to the OP. Those folks pulling out the $50s have obviously not been means tested for whatever welfare they are getting. This is a big problem and I 100% agree with means testing and limiting social programs to a max of 5 years in a lifetime.
Means testing has happened since day one. TANF is controlled at the state level.
Q: Why are you making a federal case out of what has already been established in 1996 as state controlled?
A: Because it's a golden opportunity to justify abusing poor on national level for malevolent purpose. Hold a scapegoat up, it's a real crowd pleaser for bloodthirsty mobs. Let Barabbas off the hook and crucify Jesus instead.
You see $50 in someones hands and it's beyond comprehension that might be their rent money or payment for utility bill. That 'wad' might be in lieu of having not enough to justify a bank account because they really are that close to the ground hand to mouth. Most poor I've known go shopping once a month because the money arrives all at once and multiple trips cost more. They often have no cars and rely on someone taking them to walmart, or resort to shopping daily because one or two bags is all they can manage on public transportation. It's much worse for those who are elderly or disabled. This presumes any real market (non- convenience store) is remotely near their housing, having public transport intersecting it's path, or the hours of operation for the bus/ store having compatibility with their work hours.
Most poor people I've known are working poor until wackaloon regulations damn them for doing and damn them for not doing. Social workers themselves have complained about those kinds of policies contradicting mission statement and pushed hard for legislative reforms but when there's opportunity for malevolent freaks to turn it into a poison pill, the reasonable reforms get corrupted. Thank faux 'somewhat religious' for that pile of toxic waste policy.
You've demonstrated in thread after thread that you don't know, but with lockstep reliability, you're all too happy to make things up to justify abusing the entire population of poor for target practice. Line up the usual suspects-- women and children are the root of all evil in the world and ought to be punished severely. Play Scarlet Letter policies off of pimp policies that ensures the only living wage she can make is through prostitution (legalized through marriage or in Vegas) then make lifelong careers blaming all women for prostitution. No equal rights, no God, and no government for her in this brand of civilization like minded inflict on the majority. It begs the question why womankind should be subjected to any tax or law at all if it's never represented her. Yes, we hear you loud and clear. You're hell bent on re-instituting 1900. We just happen to know you're full of guano.
How can a government possibly budget for something that is basically limitless.
How can you decide to spend some amount on 100,000 welfare recipients when another 100,000 can simply add themselves to the rolls just by having babies?
At some point this crap has got to stop. People are pouring over the border even and heading to maternity units and then getting on these various and many welfare programs. It's insane.
Means test translated= massage the numbers by lowering the poverty line even lower so that all get disqualified.
The outrage over adding more babies-- when family cap limits were put in place by select few states abortion went up 14%. Religious groups freaked out. You want family cap limits, you'll have to take it up with coalition of anti abortionists who removed it. Norplant was thought to be the balanced solution for welfare families/ prevention of abortion and it backfired so now it's banned. No shortage of spin from anti abortionists pointing a finger away from themselves... Norplant Nightmare: An American Victim of Family Planning | Population Research Institute
(I found the correlation of BC with the term 'genocide' particularly disturbing)
As for punishing native born American poor for what illegals have been given permission to do with open borders-- that's a crock. Lay blame at the feet it belongs. The federal government is obliged to close those borders and regulate immigration. That's not the fault of a 20yr old mother whose husband died in a freak accident, or whomever had their health ruin their career, or all the others with varying circumstances that have nothing to do with the price of tea in china.
If it truly mattered to you, try rounding up the multi million illegals in AZ and TX welfare rolls to build a fence. That's work fare. Are they still short handed because there aren't multi million illegals on welfare in AZ/TX??? TX has a pretty high rate of deep poverty going on. Sounds like it should have fallen into a shovel ready public works project, and yet mysteriously, it wasn't submitted. Neither was it requested when a Texan president & a republican controlled congress had a blank check for homeland security post 911. Some don't seem to want that fence built. Who are those people? Not poor folks.
Regardles of who does the audit, the tax payer's money is not spent on abortions.
They are audited by a government agency that makes sure the laws are followed and the law is that taxpayer's money is not used to fund abortions.
So, why would anyone want to defund an organization that helps prevent unwanted children from ending up on the tax payer's dole by providing birth control services?
Birth control helps stop abortions, doesn't it? Why would pro-lifers want to stop an organization that helps stop abortions?
I'm glad you asked the question about why I would defund and organization that prevents unwanted children - BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING A CRAPPY JOB OF IT. And at the same time, dabbling in sex trafficking.
And quit making assumptions about my abortion opinion. I'm not anti-abortion. I'm anti-making me pay for a welfare queen to have abortions over and over.
Well, just look at what is going on, isn't that enough of an answer for you?
Do you really think walking up to these people and telling them to stop having sex is going to work?
They are still going to have sex, they are still going to have children they cannot take care of, and the government is always going to provide aid for those children.
What do you suggest? Should the government take their children away by force because they cannot feed them? Would that be any less barbaric than forcing the parents to undergo sterilization in exchange for money to feed their children?
The government will never sterilize them, will never let the children starve, will never take their children away because they don't have money to buy food......the only thing left is to try to educate, provide low cost or free contraception and keep abortion available as an option. That is the way I see it.
Should their be means testing? Yes. Parent's should receive the bare minimum to provide for their children.
You answered your own question. Of course people aren't going to stop pumping out children. The govt will pay for them, and for mom while they're at it.
Basic psychology - any behavior that is rewarded will be repeated. After enough repetitions, it becomes habit.
Cutting welfare is the #1 reason by far that I vote Republican. . Up until now my vote has always been a waste as Reps have done nothing to cut welfare. I would love to see it finally happen although it seems too good to be true. But sooner or later due to the debt crisis these cuts will have to be made.
I think it is very Christian to support welfare cuts. The welfare state has destroyed the American family.Today many women hookup with various bad boy types, have their children out of wedlock, and then go on welfare programs. This has caused much social decay, social problems, and human misery. If welfare was drastically cut women would choose a decent family oriented gentleman to get married and have children with.
The children will certainly be better off being raised by two loving parents instead of what is common today... a "baby daddy" and a welfare check (or welfare ATM cards).
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TX has a pretty high rate of deep poverty going on. 
