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Old 04-03-2011, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Women behaving that way have a common thread. Each one of them has been raised to believe God decided they're good for nothing more than making babies. Their 'lot in life' is to land a man to provide for them, which warps the concept of marriage into 'socially respectable' prostitution. That's all this select group knows for multiple generations. It was installed in them through wrongful religious interpretations. Are these cults dictating conduct by gender being held responsible to carry their own load as Amish do? Not at all! They're protected by 'freedom of religion' clause and reinforced by secular world because ERA still isn't on the books.
History of the Attleboro "Body"

Make no mistake about it. There is equality & instruction to embrace free will for both genders in the bible, but selective attention decided to suppress any such concept. When a denomination emphasizes 'obey the husband' at the expense of her relationship with her maker (blind obedience) it's a tell tale sign of malevolence emulating scriptural truth. No religion is immune.


U.S. birth rates, population growth, and the environment - SUSPS
Why should the vast majority of all others refraining from having 10 kids be punished for what they haven't done? Feigned concern doesn't cut it. If I were a child today seeing you coming at me I'd run the other direction. Your misanthropic notions of charity and citizenship betray you when you hold them in contempt.

Your actions merit consequences. Why are you permitted to work with any distressed child? Why are like minded individuals permitted to hide out under the guise of 'helping to facilitate adoption' while they hatefully engage snide commentary running women off from the option? Or WORSE...
Hedda Nussbaum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That's the byproduct of 'privatization' putting itself above scrutiny and having no standard at all imposed. Dig deeper into the details of Hedda's life, you hear a woman conditioned to worship men in place of her God. The common thread of sickness installed in a womans mind by false religious interpretations socially/culturally upheld as 'normal' just keeps popping up again and again and again.

These are not atheists, not liberals, and not Christians, but folks who prefer to bear false witness making things up as they went along. US missionaries: Lessons from Haiti adoption or 'child kidnapping' case - CSMonitor.com
Are we screening these people? Sane & conscientious people are getting abundant evidence of what actually demands substantive reform in foreign and domestic policies alike.

There's nothing moral about what's passing itself off as conservative. They deny all responsibility, but they're the 1st in line to gather the credit for work they never performed and investments they never made. Easy enough for Newt Gingrich to rely on cliff notes version of the Bible, which might explain his track record with 'family values' in his own life.


Means testing has happened since day one. TANF is controlled at the state level.
Q: Why are you making a federal case out of what has already been established in 1996 as state controlled?
A: Because it's a golden opportunity to justify abusing poor on national level for malevolent purpose. Hold a scapegoat up, it's a real crowd pleaser for bloodthirsty mobs. Let Barabbas off the hook and crucify Jesus instead.

You see $50 in someones hands and it's beyond comprehension that might be their rent money or payment for utility bill. That 'wad' might be in lieu of having not enough to justify a bank account because they really are that close to the ground hand to mouth. Most poor I've known go shopping once a month because the money arrives all at once and multiple trips cost more. They often have no cars and rely on someone taking them to walmart, or resort to shopping daily because one or two bags is all they can manage on public transportation. It's much worse for those who are elderly or disabled. This presumes any real market (non- convenience store) is remotely near their housing, having public transport intersecting it's path, or the hours of operation for the bus/ store having compatibility with their work hours.

Most poor people I've known are working poor until wackaloon regulations damn them for doing and damn them for not doing. Social workers themselves have complained about those kinds of policies contradicting mission statement and pushed hard for legislative reforms but when there's opportunity for malevolent freaks to turn it into a poison pill, the reasonable reforms get corrupted. Thank faux 'somewhat religious' for that pile of toxic waste policy.

You've demonstrated in thread after thread that you don't know, but with lockstep reliability, you're all too happy to make things up to justify abusing the entire population of poor for target practice. Line up the usual suspects-- women and children are the root of all evil in the world and ought to be punished severely. Play Scarlet Letter policies off of pimp policies that ensures the only living wage she can make is through prostitution (legalized through marriage or in Vegas) then make lifelong careers blaming all women for prostitution. No equal rights, no God, and no government for her in this brand of civilization like minded inflict on the majority. It begs the question why womankind should be subjected to any tax or law at all if it's never represented her. Yes, we hear you loud and clear. You're hell bent on re-instituting 1900. We just happen to know you're full of guano.
I have to go to work soon so I don't have time to read and respond to all of what you said, but I wanted to quickly say that you need to leave God out of it, b/c these people are not acting on God's wishes, they are acting on what their crotch wants at any given point in time. It's selfish to the nth degree.

I am not full of guano, not hell bent on taking us back a century, etc. (I don't know what that etc. is right now b/c I read the first line and the last only). You are just reaching for excuses and refusing to admit that people need to take responsibility for their actions. Shame on you.

P.S. I know about TANF, that is really the only type of welfare that is actually somewhat difficult to get. Even SSI is basically just handed to you, along with Medicaid and food stamps.
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Old 04-03-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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I'm glad you asked the question about why I would defund and organization that prevents unwanted children - BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING A CRAPPY JOB OF IT. And at the same time, dabbling in sex trafficking.
Wildly false allegations, zero proof. If turnabout ever became fair play in this country you'd be arrested for your own false allegations and convicted by your very own hearsay.

The modest birth rate since the advocacy of BC speaks louder. America had a ban on birth control up until 1965. In 1920's there were estimated over 1 million abortions performed, few, if any medically supervised. Demographic history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note 1958 onward to present tense. The math is the math and cooked books arguments are what caused a global financial crisis. Not poor people.
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Old 04-03-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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Default The poor/ middle class undermined for the sole enrichment of billionaires.

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Basic psychology - any behavior that is rewarded will be repeated. After enough repetitions, it becomes habit.
And any behavior that's chronically punished will be avoided. SO explain to me why jobs that are labor intensive, the dirty work, the million thankless tasks performed for the benefit of civilization, are all too often chronically underpaid? "Free market" principles also apply to wages, but they were overridden by hoarders. When wage suppression is willfully applied via our own government it's far worse than garden variety malfeasance. The failed policy is Reaganomics and it's not been expunged from governance.
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Deuteronomy 24:14 Do not take advantage of a hired man who is poor and needy, whether he is a brother Israelite or an alien living in one of your towns.
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Leviticus 19:13 "'Do not defraud your neighbor or rob him. "'Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight.
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Deuteronomy 25:4 Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.
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Proverbs 14:31 He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.
There are dozens more quotes just like it.

This pertains more acutely to male work force than female, and so, folks like alphamale continue waging war on womankind angry because they can't provide as civilization expects of husbands/ fathers. Their manhood IS threatened. Men divorced from the pride they put in work IS unhealthy for them, but it is their employers design doing it to them. NOT women.

How many wives have option to decide if they want their husbands working in the mine that will ultimately kill him? What is traditionally thought of as 'womans work' is forever undervalued, and that undervaluation will never change from ERA because what everyday men value is where their attention goes. Marketeers control men and encourage them to hate/ abuse real women in favor of prostitutes. Honest business is punished in America and multi national corps are rewarded at their expense.

Women didn't do this to males. Males did it to males, and women as per usual, are blamed.

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Amos 4:1 Hear this word, you cows of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.
Joseph Coors, sponsoring the think tank propaganda conservatives worship, made his fortune selling beer. There are more infants born with Fetal Alchohol syndrome than aids babies. Proof: CDC homesite, pregnancy.
There is scientific evidence to suggest that males engaging alcohol (alcoholics, but also drunk during conception) are genetically linked to the prevalence of ADD/ ADHD/ aspbergers in their offspring. The Genetics of Addictive Behavior
The Koch brothers made their fortune off America's oil addiction, claiming themselves champions of free market/ libertarian principles, have been the sole funders of climate change denial, assault EPA for decades, & suppress alternative energy markets. $500 billion isn't enough to satisfy the ambitions of old men. They installed Bush to protect their oil interests, applauded a 'holy war', and sold America via FED to communist China to cover the tab.

Internet Pornography Statistics - TopTenREVIEWS
Jungle King Secrets: A Libido ... - Google Books
Above link to the book explains the brain chemistry of male brains getting addicted to porn and it's inevitable death spiral. That same brain chemistry of pure hate installed in conservative thinking that declares war on everything is also a death spiral. LISTEN to what's calling itself conservative on this forum. LISTEN to yourself for a change.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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Wildly false allegations, zero proof. If turnabout ever became fair play in this country you'd be arrested for your own false allegations and convicted by your very own hearsay.

The modest birth rate since the advocacy of BC speaks louder. America had a ban on birth control up until 1965. In 1920's there were estimated over 1 million abortions performed, few, if any medically supervised. Demographic history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note 1958 onward to present tense. The math is the math and cooked books arguments are what caused a global financial crisis. Not poor people.
Everyone's entitled to their own suspicions...I learned that from the Libs. Your comments do have a certain fascist tint to them.

As for your crazy "apples and oranges" argument. In the 1920's, not many births were medically supervised. I'm not sure what your point is.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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And any behavior that's chronically punished will be avoided. SO explain to me why jobs that are labor intensive, the dirty work, the million thankless tasks performed for the benefit of civilization, are all too often chronically underpaid?
What does "chronically punished" mean? There's punishment and reward. In order for something to be considered a punishment (which means a certain action makes the behavior less likely to happen in the future), it must happen EVERY SINGLE TIME in order to be effective.

And just because a job is hard, or labor intensive, or boring, doesn't mean it serves as a punishment to the person performing the task, especially if it is interspersed with positives or neutrals.

And your argument about pay is absolutely incorrect - one of the most labor intensive, dirty jobs is garbage man. And they're about the highest paid jobs around.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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And any behavior that's chronically punished will be avoided. SO explain to me why jobs that are labor intensive, the dirty work, the million thankless tasks performed for the benefit of civilization, are all too often chronically underpaid? "Free market" principles also apply to wages, but they were overridden by hoarders. When wage suppression is willfully applied via our own government it's far worse than garden variety malfeasance. The failed policy is Reaganomics and it's not been expunged from governance.





There are dozens more quotes just like it.

This pertains more acutely to male work force than female, and so, folks like alphamale continue waging war on womankind angry because they can't provide as civilization expects of husbands/ fathers. Their manhood IS threatened. Men divorced from the pride they put in work IS unhealthy for them, but it is their employers design doing it to them. NOT women.

How many wives have option to decide if they want their husbands working in the mine that will ultimately kill him? What is traditionally thought of as 'womans work' is forever undervalued, and that undervaluation will never change from ERA because what everyday men value is where their attention goes. Marketeers control men and encourage them to hate/ abuse real women in favor of prostitutes. Honest business is punished in America and multi national corps are rewarded at their expense.

Women didn't do this to males. Males did it to males, and women as per usual, are blamed.


Joseph Coors, sponsoring the think tank propaganda conservatives worship, made his fortune selling beer. There are more infants born with Fetal Alchohol syndrome than aids babies. Proof: CDC homesite, pregnancy.
There is scientific evidence to suggest that males engaging alcohol (alcoholics, but also drunk during conception) are genetically linked to the prevalence of ADD/ ADHD/ aspbergers in their offspring. The Genetics of Addictive Behavior
The Koch brothers made their fortune off America's oil addiction, claiming themselves champions of free market/ libertarian principles, have been the sole funders of climate change denial, assault EPA for decades, & suppress alternative energy markets. $500 billion isn't enough to satisfy the ambitions of old men. They installed Bush to protect their oil interests, applauded a 'holy war', and sold America via FED to communist China to cover the tab.

Internet Pornography Statistics - TopTenREVIEWS
Jungle King Secrets: A Libido ... - Google Books
Above link to the book explains the brain chemistry of male brains getting addicted to porn and it's inevitable death spiral. That same brain chemistry of pure hate installed in conservative thinking that declares war on everything is also a death spiral. LISTEN to what's calling itself conservative on this forum. LISTEN to yourself for a change.
The rest of your post, quite frankly, just gave me a headache.
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Old 04-04-2011, 12:39 AM
 
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REALITY check for liberals. If you NEED tax payer assistance to survive, then you aren't worth the oxygen you're breathing. What would you do if there was no more taxpayer assistance? Die? Well, maybe we should just cut out the middle step, save me some tax dollars, and call it good.
This is the general difference I see among many liberals vs conservatives.. conservatives often lack compassion and it's reflected heavily in their politics.

This guy here sounds like he would do away with all assistance to even the elderly and disabled.
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Old 04-04-2011, 12:40 AM
 
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Today many women hookup with various bad boy types, have their children out of wedlock, and then go on welfare programs. This has caused much social decay, social problems, and human misery. If welfare was drastically cut women would choose a decent family oriented gentleman to get married and have children with.
If 1/10th of these words were true, their boot would be off wages and jobs training programs would be endorsed by republicans. They've gone out of their way to keep single welfare mothers OUT of jobs training programs. They prefer to keep women as ignorant as possible because they're easier targets for predators. They've done the same to welfare (married couple) families.

As for the sheer volume of malice directed at mothers raising children alone...
OH Why is Summer Inman, mother of 3, janitor at a bank, dead?
Missing Ohio Mother Summer Inman Found Dead in Church Septic Tank - ABC News

NC Mother of 2 ought to be forced to remain married to this man?
N.C. man accused of arranging wife's rape on Craigslist - CNN

AK/MO Linda Rinehart went by your 'stand by your man' plan and now she's in jail with her husband.

YouTube - Issues Rinehart Daughters Interview

Idaho- Franklin Ward Osterhoudt, father, convicted of incest.
Mass- Thomas Mortimer IV, father, confessed to murdering his toddlers, his wife, and his mother in law.
FLA- Neal Jacobson, father, murdered his 2 children & his wife.
Cali- Ian Roderiquez...
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A report by sheriff's investigators published online by the Riverside Press-Enterprise said the children of Roderiquez told authorities he beat the family with a monkey wrench on March 22 and accused them of stealing his drugs.
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Wearing bloody, bleach-stained sweatpants' Roderiquez told investigators his children were thieves and liars and suggested his wife was responsible for any injuries his family may have suffered, the report said.
Authorities detail alleged torture of Calif family - San Jose Mercury News (http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_17735115?nclick_check=1 - broken link)

WA- David Jewell's 15yr old son was forced to call the police to report his father had raped his 11yr old sister, and was threatening to commit suicide. Dad set their trailer home on fire. The children were remanded to the custody of their grandmother. She now falls into the 'single mother' category. Single female head of household is not a statement of who gave birth, if that female was married prior to pregnancy, or if it was an accidental pregnancy she decided against aborting.

Bad boy 'types' you say?
AZ- He seemed like such a nice guy. Fiancee/predator of single moms with children, BUSTED by a teen aged daughter:
Mesa man gets 35 years in child molestation case | Phoenix News | Arizona News | azfamily.com | Phoenix News
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Old 04-04-2011, 12:50 AM
 
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It's about creating real consequences for actions by eliminating the possibility of abortion.
There already are real consequences for women. It's inherent to their physiology and that is NOT a choice, it's reality. It's not inherent to male physiology. I suspect you aren't female.

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Old 04-04-2011, 06:41 AM
 
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This is the general difference I see among many liberals vs conservatives.. conservatives often lack compassion and it's reflected heavily in their politics.

This guy here sounds like he would do away with all assistance to even the elderly and disabled.
First of all, genius, I'm not a guy.

Second of all, compassion is not just something to be given to certain people or groups. Where's the compassion to the hard working americans that are struggling to put food on their table, gas in their car, and pay for healthcare, while they're paying taxes to support those that are a lot less hard working? Or paying for the Cowboy Poetry Festival? Or a frog statue? The left never offers those folks any sort of compassion. You only qualify if you're a group that is willing to be bought and paid for.

Entitlements and handouts are NOT compassion.
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