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Old 05-06-2011, 01:25 AM
 
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Frankly, Bernie Sanders is barely worthy of the label socialist (more accurately, he's a social democrat, which is more in line with my own position), and he makes Obama look like Michele Bachmann.

The question of having read Marx or any Marxist philosophy or political theory is pertinent, especially since so many people in this thread seem to think that progressive taxation is tantamount to socialism. If you'd actually read Marxist theory, you'd realize that the MOP is the crucial site of inquiry. It's clear who owns the MOP in America.
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:26 AM
 
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He's a Corporatist Socialist. Big business Socialist. You want proof, here it is.

Socialists say: Obama is no socialist - Chicago Tribune
It's funny, since among "serious" Marxists, the DSA are trashed for being milquetoast reformists, fake socialists, etc.
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:39 AM
 
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In the age of the internets, you have to wonder why anyone would think that Obama is a socialist. Intellectually disingenuous, willfully ignorant, or intellectually lazy. Take your pick.

All it takes is a google search and in seconds flat you have your answers. Look what socialist websites have to say about Obama

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"On every issue, the Obama administration has acted like its hated Republican predecessors far more often than anyone would have guessed."

"What it shows is that Barack Obama was never the crusader for change he claimed to be on the campaign trail, but a much more conventional politician--as committed to the priorities of protecting the status quo as any other member of the two-party political establishment that runs Washington."
From "Yes we can" to "No we won't" | SocialistWorker.org
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:51 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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It's nice to see our usual CDF right wing hacks are still are stupid and clueless as they've always been.
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:55 AM
 
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It's nice to see our usual CDF right wing hacks are still are stupid and clueless as they've always been.
What do you expect from people who admire politicians whose idea of foreign policy experience is seeing Russia from Alaska.
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Old 05-06-2011, 02:02 AM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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What do you expect from people who admire politicians whose idea of foreign policy experience is seeing Russia from Alaska.

Or a guy who's gone bankrupt more times than he's had a decent hair cut?
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Old 05-06-2011, 02:07 AM
 
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Or a guy who's gone bankrupt more times than he's had a decent hair cut?
It was his business that went bankrupt, so it doesn't count. Never mind that it was a multi million dollar business he inherited from his daddy.
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Old 05-06-2011, 02:14 AM
 
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Though I agree with many of the sentiments both of you have posted earlier in the thread, this is the same kind of circle jerking that those terrible right-wing posters do, and it's off-topic at that.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:07 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So Robin Hood was a Socialist? To think that people spend years studying political theory and you summed it up in two words.

Robinhood was a criminal, a thief.

The story of Robinhood was composed during the Progressive era of the 1910's
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It would take pages and days to explain the full implications and ramifications of the Marxist social and economic ideology.

In short, a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies. Marxism is the opposite of capitalism, Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit. Marxism there are no competition in the market place and no profits to be made, unless your a select chosen one from the central government.


Socialism is
a step between a country’s current state and its move to complete communism.
Property and wealth are shared, and their distribution are subject to the control of the people, who exert equal control of the government. The community or state owns all the things used for work production, called the means of production, and thus may also decide what is produced and how to distribute as evenly as possible the moneys paid for things produced.
Socialism is meant to eliminate class warfare, by making everyone equally wealthy, or poor, no matter what they do or how productive they are.
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