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Old 05-23-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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If WACO didnt take place, he wouldnt have been attacking on teh anniversary of WACO

The question isnt about McVeigh.
The fact that it was McVeighs reason for attacking ties them together forever, just as the presence of shells from Lon Horiuchi's rifle at Mt Carmel ties it to Ruby Ridge.

I've never heard of the other bombs through any credible source but I can see how it would tie in to O'Bama and the IRA
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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It's Texas. That's a starter kit for some individuals much less a compound.

Perfectly legal. I have one.


Hopefully it was smokeless powder. Black powder has few uses outside of black powder rifles/pistols.


If they really took delivery of these, then that's the only thing they did that was illegal. They should also go after the sender. Did they? Is there records of who sent the weapons?


Just because it sounds full auto, doesn't mean it is illegal. There are numerous machine gun shoots in TX where class III owners get together. Who's to say there wasn't a class III owner at the compound. Plus a semi-auto can be bump fired like the video below.

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Conversion from semi-auto to full auto isn't as easy as one would think. The required parts are rare and expensive to get. Either way, after Ruby Ridge you would think the ATF would learn some lessons but I guess not. Maybe next time.
As I recall the Branch Davidians had a .50 Cal Machine Gun that they fired through the walls at the ATF
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:17 PM
 
Location: MS
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As I recall the Branch Davidians had a .50 Cal Machine Gun that they fired through the walls at the ATF
As I said before, not illegal if someone held a class III license. .50 cal is legal. I could buy one in under 30 minutes if I left my house right now. Full auto is legal. Full auto .50 is expensive to operate but legal.
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:36 PM
 
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The fact that it was McVeighs reason for attacking ties them together forever, just as the presence of shells from Lon Horiuchi's rifle at Mt Carmel ties it to Ruby Ridge.

I've never heard of the other bombs through any credible source but I can see how it would tie in to O'Bama and the IRA
9-11 Review: The Oklahoma City Bombing
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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As I said before, not illegal if someone held a class III license. .50 cal is legal. I could buy one in under 30 minutes if I left my house right now. Full auto is legal. Full auto .50 is expensive to operate but legal.
The Davidians had one or more Barrett Light .50 cal., a.k.a. M82. A semi-auto, not a machine gun.



No Class III FFL is required to own one of these babies.
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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As I said before, not illegal if someone held a class III license. .50 cal is legal. I could buy one in under 30 minutes if I left my house right now. Full auto is legal. Full auto .50 is expensive to operate but legal.
If it were legal ATF wouldn't have gotten their warrant. They were btthere to confiscate ILLEGAL Weapons. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Domestic Terrorists
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Old 05-23-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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The Davidians had one or more Barrett Light .50 cal., a.k.a. M82. A semi-auto, not a machine gun.



No Class III FFL is required to own one of these babies.

No they had an Army issue .50 cal Machine Gun. Like the one mounted on tanks and amoured vehicles. The M-82 wasn't around then. If you want to excuse the murder of Law Enforcement Officers by Domestic Terrorists don't expect me to cheer you on
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Old 05-23-2011, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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And you believed that website? You'd be better off reading the onion

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Old 05-23-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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"In the jargon of at least one ATF office, the Waco raid was what is known as a ZBO ("Zee Big One"), a press-drawing stunt that when shown to Congress at budget time justifies more funding. One of the largest deployments in bureau history, the attack on the Branch Davidians compound was, in the eyes of some of the agents, the ultimate ZBO."

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Old 05-23-2011, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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No they had an Army issue .50 cal Machine Gun. Like the one mounted on tanks and amoured vehicles. The M-82 wasn't around then. If you want to excuse the murder of Law Enforcement Officers by Domestic Terrorists don't expect me to cheer you on
As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The Barrett Light .50 (M82) was designed in 1980 and in production since 1982. There were no automatic weapons at the Mount Carmel compound, unless the ATF or FBI brought them.
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