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Old 06-19-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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When did the Taliban become an upright, law abiding political organization, in good standing.

Afghan leader says U.S. in contact with Taliban - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110618/ts_nm/us_afghanistan_talks - broken link)
We've been negotiating with terrorists from day one. There has never been a time when we didn't.

I'm surprised that people even bring up the negotiating/terrorist stuff anymore. That should've died with Iran-Contra if not decades before then.
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:56 PM
 
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YouTube - ‪Ronald Reagan dedicates the Space Shuttle Columbia to the Taliban‬‏
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:57 PM
 
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YouTube - ‪Afghanistan Freedom Fighters‬‏
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Old 06-19-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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When did the Taliban become an upright, law abiding political organization, in good standing.

Afghan leader says U.S. in contact with Taliban - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110618/ts_nm/us_afghanistan_talks - broken link)
They didn't. Seems they are running low on cash.
LOL..who better to finance them then their most bitter enemy.

How can we perpetuate this War on Terror if the terrorists are running low on cash ?

Turn to abductions shows al-Qaida's cash squeeze - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110619/ap_on_re_us/us_kidnapping_for_dollars - broken link)
"..al-Qaida's core organization in Pakistan has turned to kidnapping for ransom to offset dwindling cash reserves.."
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Old 06-19-2011, 05:51 PM
 
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Security Resolution 678 and 1441
678 was passed in 1990, 13 years before the Iraq war. Are you really trying to make the case that hostilities never ceased in the Gulf War?

1441 had no provisions authorizing the US to decide on military actions on its own.

That much was even made perfectly clear by (US ambassador to the UN) Negroponte : " [T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12."

After 1441, to recap events that inexplicably have slipped your memory, UNMOVIC reported discrepancies, the US/UK alliance pressed for a second resolution that would either authorize force or have automaticity. France declared themselves unwilling to pass a resolution of that nature, and the matter was dropped. And suddenly, in direct contradiction to Negroponte's words, 1441 was considered good enough for unilateral US/UK action. (Oh, excuse me - I forgot Poland.)

The US tried to get UNSC backing for Iraq, and failed. Deal.

But hey, I'm willing to be proven wrong. Here's a link to the full text of 1441: UN Security Council Resolution 1441 on Iraq

Why don't you cite the paragraph that allows a single Security Council member to use military force? Should be easy...
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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In my opinion, our War on Terror was merely a waste of our exorbitantly expensive superpower.
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:54 PM
 
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^agreed
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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678 was passed in 1990, 13 years before the Iraq war. Are you really trying to make the case that hostilities never ceased in the Gulf War?

1441 had no provisions authorizing the US to decide on military actions on its own.

That much was even made perfectly clear by (US ambassador to the UN) Negroponte : " [T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12."

After 1441, to recap events that inexplicably have slipped your memory, UNMOVIC reported discrepancies, the US/UK alliance pressed for a second resolution that would either authorize force or have automaticity. France declared themselves unwilling to pass a resolution of that nature, and the matter was dropped. And suddenly, in direct contradiction to Negroponte's words, 1441 was considered good enough for unilateral US/UK action. (Oh, excuse me - I forgot Poland.)

The US tried to get UNSC backing for Iraq, and failed. Deal.

But hey, I'm willing to be proven wrong. Here's a link to the full text of 1441: UN Security Council Resolution 1441 on Iraq

Why don't you cite the paragraph that allows a single Security Council member to use military force? Should be easy...
Korean War is still in cease fire status and actual hostilities could be renewed.

I admit I was in error regarding UN approval for Iraq. I retract but am surprised other than Kofi's comments that the US has not been censured. Benefits of being a permanent member of the Security Council. The war has always been expressed in Coalition terms.

What a mess.
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