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Old 09-25-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Well then you have a problem with how colleges evaluate applicants in general. This is a bandaid at best. Even worse, a racist bandaid.
I don't think anyone's talking about letting kids who can't color inside the lines into college.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Well then you have a problem with how colleges evaluate applicants in general. This is a bandaid at best. Even worse, a racist bandaid.
Sure. Colleges can't fix what has gone wrong in people's lives for two decades prior to college application.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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"The soft bigotry of low expectations".
True.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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I don't think anyone's talking about letting kids who can't color inside the lines into college.
Exactly. That is not what happens, even if people refuse to stop believing so.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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If race doesn't matter to the left, why not eliminate questions about race on all applications?

"I have a dream......one day people will be judged not by the color of their skin, but on the content of their character!".

I guess it's another liberal idea that doesn't work for liberals.

If they're not going to walk the walk, the left should stop lionizing MLK.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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I don't support different prices or admissions requirements for anyone based on race or SES, we all need to be held to the same standard. What are we teaching about life if we start doing this kind of thing? It's okay to be subpar if you're a minority or poor, you'll still beat out the white and/or middle class or rich guy? It's all very racist and discriminatory.
I don't get this.

Taxes are graduated based on income and thus SES.

I don't think it's about beating out the middle class (which is a very enigmatic term today) but more about telling a kid he's not d!cked at birth.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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If race doesn't matter to the left, why not eliminate questions about race on all applications?

"I have a dream......one day people will be judged not by the color of their skin, but on the content of their character!".

I guess it's another liberal idea that doesn't work for liberals.

If they're not going to walk the walk, the left should stop lionizing MLK.
I actually agree with you. And who said I was on the left?
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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So how do we separate those whose potential has not been seen with the ones who flat out would fail at college? I say no to a lotto, there needs to be some kind of way to prove one's potential in the example you are giving. It's not just any ol' Joe who should get into college.
Indeed, people are too focused on college because parents are scared when they think of their kids' future. In the US college seems to be the only solution.

(In Germany for instance that is not the case, only 12% of the population there have a college or university degree vs. 27% in the US, still they are doing fine in Germany thanks to all the other options young people have there.)
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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Huh? How about the white kid who has basketball talent. We should mandate the NBA have a quota of white kids, if they can't play after a few years, then cut them.

Merit is the way the world works, the playing field isn't level for anyone. There is always someone more privileged than you, if you are not Bill Gates.
That's nice to sad, sadder to think it's actually true. It helps if daddy can make a call to the dean, or plays golf with someone on the board. You may have been in the same sorority or fraternity as the guy doing the hiring. Someone may like that you played football in college.

We're talking about education here. And the Europeans seem to be just fine in the NBA...
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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Indeed, people are too focused on college because parents are scared when they think of their kids' future. In the US college seems to be the only solution.

(In Germany for instance that is not the case, only 12% of the population there have a college or university degree vs. 27% in the US, still they are doing fine in Germany thanks to all the other options young people have there.)
Germany's manufacturing base is still firmly intact, but that's a whole different ball of wax.

It's sort of like Illinois in the 80-90's. You could get a great job at a factory out of high school, work overtime, get your car on the A-plan and have a pretty good life making $60-70k a year...it's gone, or at least going now.

Hell, even the jobs like telemarketing, that you just needed to be able to speak english are going...

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