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Old 09-25-2011, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Mark, calling me stupid and dishonest over and over doesn't make it so, it only shows your own childishness.

I suggest equal opportunity regardless of race. You disagree. Anyone with half a brain reading this knows what that makes you, so I am satisfied. Have a nice day.
Calling you what you are, was what you brought on yourself.

Better yet, make me the liar and show anyone on this board where I made the below statements you said I did.


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you insist we should only help black people
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we should help a rich black person over a poor white person.
That's what I thought, you are dishonest and a liar.
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Old 09-25-2011, 04:02 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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A comment that I found in the NY Daily News about the article...

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4:04:19 PM
Sep 25, 2011

To make this a more accurate analogy, they should first have all the white men steal all the resources for the bake sale from the Native Americans, then make the African Americans bake all the goods. Then at the bake sale, sell only to white men until the last ten minutes when the Latinos, Asians, Women, African Americans, and Native Americans are allowed to. Oh, and the profits go only to the white men.


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Old 09-25-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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Affirmative Action bake sales have been going on at campuses for a while. I've never understood a Neo Progs position on AA: we're going to combat racism by implementing...................................... racism. Um, okay.
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Old 09-25-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: California
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It was a poor attempt to unfairly make it easier for minorities to accomplish something (in this case, buy a cookie) as an analogy to the presumed increase ease of admissions for them due to relaxed standards due to affirmative action.

It could also be the presumed relative value of said degree after graduation because if you were minority, oyu obviously got in due to affirmative action and your degree is worth less.

I would rather see a doctor who was a highly qualified medical student than one who just worked the system. The only place to skate is downhill.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:28 PM
 
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I would rather see a doctor who was a highly qualified medical student than one who just worked the system. The only place to skate is downhill.
If that doctor got through med school and passed all his licensing exams- how does that mean he skated by in any way shape or form?

FTR, med school means little, residency is where the real learning takes place and by that point, you've had 3 1/2 years to prove you belong in medical school.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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no difference between affirmative action and white legacies getting in who can barely read.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Houston
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no difference between affirmative action and white legacies getting in who can barely read.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You could call that 'cherry picking'.

Don't underestimate yourself, you're all you've got.

If for whatever reason the administration needs to diversify, they'd rather have you. However you would've gotten in on your own merit I'd imagine.

So when I did the college road trip, you mean to say that my ease of admissions were not in fact based on my very high scores, my elite prep-school but just the fact that I was black? That's a very dangerous proposition to make and one that means your achievements will always have an astrisk by them using your line of thinking.

The better question to ask is why is there such disparity (or at least not representation) in academia and college among blacks if all things truly are equal.

Like me, you should consider yourself lucky and talented. But you are indeed in a small number, the 'Talented Tenth' so to say.
I suggest this book:

BARNES & NOBLE | Economics and Politics of Race by Thomas Sowell | Paperback, Audiobook

As long as 70% of black children are born out of wedlock blacks will be disproportionately represented in colleges.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:42 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Two wrongs do not make a right.
No, but it makes things even..
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:43 PM
 
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What's ridiculous about this affirmative action legislation is that Whites are no longer the majority in California. It doesn't matter if Whites were only ten percent of the population, you'd still see people whining about how White racism has kept them down and that they need special consideration.

When you come across an obstacle in life, you work hard to overcome it. You don't sit there in front of the obstacle demanding that someone come help you.
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