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Old 10-03-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Abuse would be ignoring GID.

Abuse would be forcing puberty on someone who doesn't want to develop as a male just yet.

But hey, why actually treat GID?

Let's just ignore it and hope it's "just a phase"!
Works for me. Thanks.

 
Old 10-03-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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Works for me. Thanks.
And then when the kid chops off their genitals or commits suicide, I take it you'll be perfectly fine since you let them solve the problem themselves?

Compassion must not exist in conservative land.
 
Old 10-03-2011, 08:53 AM
 
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And then when the kid chops off their genitals or commits suicide, I take it you'll be perfectly fine since you let them solve the problem themselves?

Compassion must not exist in conservative land.
Just get one of the Fox News bimbos to come in and give the kid a BJ.

It's similar to mouth to mouth resuscitation (more effective if done in Full Nurse Regalia).

He'll be fit as a fiddle on or before his 12th BJ.

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Old 10-03-2011, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Really? How do you come to that conclusion? Did you perhaps neglect to even read the factsheet? Did you just find that particular partial paragraph on some anti-gay website?

Why did you deliberately leave off the last 2 sentences in that paragraph? (just like all the anti-gay websites who have posted that particular paragraph out of context)

Just because there is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons, doesn't mean that there are not biological causes as you claim.

Read the sentence you conveniently left out. "Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles"

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

Clearly the statement is that scientists think nature and nurture BOTH play complex roles.

"Nature" is generally considered genetic or biological. And do you not know that the environment "nurture" also includes pre-natal environment? (eg hormonal effects on fetal development)

Research from a range of fields from neurobiology, genetics and endocrinology etc have all showed results. How would there be a consensus as to the exact causes from scientists from completely different fields?

That Fact sheet was also written before several important studies in the fields of neurobiology and endocrinology were even conducted and published. In recent studies, fMRI brain scans show differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexuals. Differences that were forged in the womb and were not a result of cognitive learning.

If you had read the whole fact sheet you would know that the APA also say that homosexuality is not a choice or a mental illness or something that can be changed by most people. They also warn against so-called 'reparative' therapy (aka pray away the gay) because there are no reliable studies showing it works and plenty of evidence to show the harm it can cause.

If you had bothered to do any research on this topic you would also know that there are no studies showing that the way a child is raised 'causes' their sexual orientation, or that sexual orientation is a choice.

What you WILL find consensus on amongst reputable scientists and the APA, is that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality.


How about you read the next part of that fact sheet? "What role do prejudice and discrimination play......"

Sexual orientation, homosexuality and bisexuality



The APA is an anti-gay website?

Please get back to us when there is a consensus.
 
Old 10-03-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Like I suggested on the other thread on this topic just let the kid wait a couple of years and try sex with both boys and girls. Who knows he might decide to not decide or add the female genitalia. Then the possibilites would be endless.
 
Old 10-03-2011, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Like I suggested on the other thread on this topic just let the kid wait a couple of years and try sex with both boys and girls. Who knows he might decide to not decide or add the female genitalia. Then the possibilites would be endless.
And as in the other thread, the suggestion is moot, as the child's sexual preferences has nothing to do with GID.
 
Old 10-03-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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No. They don't. Where did you get that idea?



Good call Jaymax!


Turns out it was only 88% who decided they weren't female trapped in male bodies after all.

"Zucker conducted a study following 109 boys who had gender identity disorder between the ages of 3 and 12. Researchers followed up at the mean age of 20 and found 12 percent of these boys continued to want to change genders."

"The review of research on the “possible” effects of prenatal hormones, etc., offers lots of conjecture but little substance."

Adolescents with GID already are burdened with significantly more general behavioral difficulties than their child counterparts which may make it harder for the adolescents to deal specifically with their gender identity difficulties. “In fact for many adolescents, the desire to change sex is seen as a way of solving many of their problems in living, which is unrealistic.”

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...ju7CoUCqUZpesg

Ouch!
 
Old 10-03-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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Like I suggested on the other thread on this topic just let the kid wait a couple of years and try sex with both boys and girls. Who knows he might decide to not decide or add the female genitalia. Then the possibilites would be endless.
It CAN be confusing, man.

I'm torn between the redhead and the blond.

But, I've always been a sucker for nurses.


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Old 10-03-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: California
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And then when the kid chops off their genitals or commits suicide, I take it you'll be perfectly fine since you let them solve the problem themselves?

Compassion must not exist in conservative land.
So what do you do if the kid threatens cut off his genitals because you wont buy him a bike? You dont encourage a mental illness you get that kid help.
Any kid wanting to cut off his genitals has a major mental disorder.
 
Old 10-03-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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So what do you do if the kid threatens cut off his genitals because you wont buy him a bike? You dont encourage a mental illness you get that kid help.
Any kid wanting to cut off his genitals has a major mental disorder.
Yes, they do. It's called Gender Identity Disorder. Hence why the parents are getting their kid help.

But you uneducated conservatives don't believe GID is real, you just think the kid is being abused by lesbians, so you'd rather him be removed from the household to solve the issue.
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