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Old 11-22-2011, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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or a deterrent to those thinking of social disobedience.


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Lest other posters don't read back, Snofarmer here thinks that spraying civil rights workers with water hoses was "non violent"
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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Now to use a sidewalk you have to crawl over people?
You see nothing wrong with having your mom grandmom having to crawel over protesters.

Yea, it was blocked. it's a sidewalk not a crawl-over

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Yeah, sure. That's why we see the officer who sprayed them climbing over the line at least twice. Because the police were SO blocked.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Oh, please. We don't live in a police state. I've had a police officer order me to do something before, when that officer had no reason to issue the order except to exercise his control over the situation. When I referred him to MY lawyer, a local judge, the police officer went away. Police officers are known to abuse their authority, and it's up to Americans who are proponents of freedom to challenge those abuses.
I keep wondering how many people noticed that as soon as the police made their point and cleared the walkway with nobody filling back in they left. I think that is what I saw in the many times I watched that Occupy provided video. Am I wrong? Did the occupiers block the public pathway after the incident? Maybe some had to suffer for others to realize what was going on there.

Just in case I am totally wrong, do the occupiers have freedoms to restrict traffic that supersedes the freedom to use that walkway the rest of us have?
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I keep wondering how many people noticed that as soon as the police made their point and cleared the walkway with nobody filling back in they left. I think that is what I saw in the many times I watched that Occupy provided video. Am I wrong? Did the occupiers block the public pathway after the incident? Maybe some had to suffer for others to realize what was going on there.

Just in case I am totally wrong, do the occupiers have freedoms to restrict traffic that supersedes the freedom to use that walkway the rest of us have?

I don't want one American to suffer physical attack for peacefully protesting.

Arrest them if they aren't moving and breaking the law, but they weren't resisting arrest, and they were attacked anyway.

They went straigtht from "move" to "spray"

It should be "move", if they don't move, arrest, and if they fight back then, violence is warranted.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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Now to use a sidewalk you have to crawl over people?
You see nothing wrong with having your mom grandmom having to crawel over protesters.

Yea, it was blocked. it's a sidewalk not a crawl-over
My grandmom actually has the intelligence to walk AROUND an obstacle. She actually knows what a campus quad is, and can get around quite nicely. Thank you for your concern, though, I'll let her know you care.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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I keep wondering how many people noticed that as soon as the police made their point and cleared the walkway with nobody filling back in they left. I think that is what I saw in the many times I watched that Occupy provided video. Am I wrong? Did the occupiers block the public pathway after the incident? Maybe some had to suffer for others to realize what was going on there.

Just in case I am totally wrong, do the occupiers have freedoms to restrict traffic that supersedes the freedom to use that walkway the rest of us have?
If it were the only walkway on a college campus quad, you might have a point. But since it's not, then you don't. I remember when I was in college, some students staged a sit-in in the administrative offices. Nobody had to pepper spray anyone, then, and there was no need to pepper-spray anyone at UC Davis.
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Old 11-22-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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UC Davis Pepper Spray Incident, Four Perspectives - YouTube
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Old 11-22-2011, 12:45 PM
 
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When they took you away one by one , did you resist?
No, we just went limp.
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Old 11-22-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Big differerence here. You were protesting against murder. These idiots are protesting against paying a little more for their own education.

Besides, from one pro-lifer to another, I do not agree with your tactics. Try to change people's hearts and minds, yes, and the laws, but you have no right to "sit-in" anywhere.
AHA! This is exactly my point! The purpose of the protest doesn't matter. The RIGHT to protest is what is important. It's not up to you to judge whether you feel someone's cause is virtuous enough to warrant peaceful protest.

What if they start jailing Christians and all the atheists think that your form of protest is an overreaction? Are you willing to be judged by their standards?
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:13 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I keep wondering how many people noticed that as soon as the police made their point and cleared the walkway with nobody filling back in they left. I think that is what I saw in the many times I watched that Occupy provided video. Am I wrong? Did the occupiers block the public pathway after the incident? Maybe some had to suffer for others to realize what was going on there.

Just in case I am totally wrong, do the occupiers have freedoms to restrict traffic that supersedes the freedom to use that walkway the rest of us have?
No, but the point you keep ignoring is that there are other ways to remove them than to resort to the most heavy-handed tactics right away.
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