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View Poll Results: Do you feel it is correct to teach children that homosexuality is normal and natural?
Yes 292 50.34%
No 256 44.14%
I am unsure 32 5.52%
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:42 AM
 
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And I have answered but you do not like my answer. I have told you and you have been given free choice by your maker.

Your beliefs are different than mine- so be it. God loves you and I love you.
Haha. I ask you why is my homosexuality sinful, why is it wrong, what harm it causes me, or my husband, or you, or your children, or your mailman, and you answer by saying "talk to your maker"? Really? You haven't even begun to answer what I asked.

Listening to God is not an explanation of why my loving another man and him loving me back is a sin. Listening to God is not a reason why my having sex with him is wrong. Listening to God does not exemplify how my being gay harms anybody.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: California
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Please, explain it to me. I'm still waiting. I'd love to hear an actual argument for once (although I highly doubt you'll supply one - you'll once again avoid actually supporting your position by again saying something like "I would tell you, but I'd just be wasting my time").
Re-read my post a little slower and you might get it. if not keep reading it over and over again.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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I can. It is unnatural to those who have common sense. To have sex with a body part that is to be used to eliminate waste from the body is unnatural.
I see. So only male homosexuals are bad? And what of heterosexuals who indulge in anal sex, are they abominations, too?
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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Re-read my post a little slower and you might get it. if not keep reading it over and over again.
Since I'm so stupid, could you just you re-post your answer as to why my homosexuality is wrong with examples of the harm it causes me or others. I'd really appreciate it.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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I can. It is unnatural to those who have common sense. To have sex with a body part that is to be used to eliminate waste from the body is unnatural.

There are lots of heterosexual couples that engage in anal sex, as well as lots of homosexual couples that do NOT. Anal sex is not a question of homo v. hetero.

Is homosexuality natural? Of course. It occurs in other animals that understand nothing of "sin" or "perversion" or "immorality", thus it IS natural.

Is it "normal"? In the sense that an overwhelming majority of all animals, including humans, are heterosexual - no. However, "normal" takes on a positive connotation in everyday language and to label something "abnormal" usual has a negative perception. So, my answer would be that it is not the norm, but it is certainly not anything negative.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:46 AM
 
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Haha. I ask you why is my homosexuality sinful, why is it wrong, what harm it causes me, or my husband, or you, or your children, or your mailman, and you answer by saying "ask your maker"? Really? You haven't even begun to answer what I asked.

Listening to God is not an explanation of why my loving another man and him loving me back is a sin. Listening to God is not a reason why my having sex with him is wrong. Listening to God does not exemplify how my being gay harms anybody.
You have made your choice. I have made mine. What I choose to believe and what you choose to believe.

Actually it harms you but I will not get into deep discussion of that. I will end my conversation with you as you accept the lie and not the truth of what is sin.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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There are lots of heterosexual couples that engage in anal sex, as well as lots of homosexual couples that do NOT. Anal sex is not a question of homo v. hetero.

Is homosexuality natural? Of course. It occurs in other animals that understand nothing of "sin" or "perversion" or "immorality", thus it IS natural.

Is it "normal"? In the sense that an overwhelming majority of all animals, including humans, are heterosexual - no. However, "normal" takes on a positive connotation in everyday language and to label something "abnormal" usual has a negative perception. So, my answer would be that it is not the norm, but it is certainly not anything negative.
God will judge everyone. Mankind was made higher than the animals you are referring to.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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I know gays who came out of homosexuality. They chose to be an over comer of lust and lustful thoughts.
I'm sorry to say, but you don't "know" anything unless you have been on the inside looking out. Unless you were gay yourself and became straight, you don't know how much of what they are doing is a façade or not, even if it's for themselves as much as it is for you. I have convinced straight people that I came out of homosexuality (actually it's not that hard cause they want to believe it so badly to begin with)--but I'm still gay.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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You have created your own god.
And you sheepishly obey one invented by men who didn't even understand basic biology and science.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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What does the bible say?

ṯō·w·‘ê·ḇāh — 16 Occurrences

Abomination, loathsome, detestable.....


Genesis 43:32
BIB: לֶ֔חֶם כִּי־ תוֹעֵבָ֥ה הִ֖וא לְמִצְרָֽיִם׃
NAS: with the Hebrews, for that is loathsome to the Egyptians.
KJV: with the Hebrews; for that [is] an abomination unto the Egyptians.
INT: bread because is loathsome he the Egyptians

Leviticus 18:22
BIB: מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֑ה תּוֹעֵבָ֖ה הִֽוא׃
NAS: with a female; it is an abomination.
KJV: womankind: it [is] abomination.
INT: with A female is an abomination he

Leviticus 20:13
BIB: מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֔ה תּוֹעֵבָ֥ה עָשׂ֖וּ שְׁנֵיהֶ֑ם
NAS: of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely
KJV: of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely
INT: lie A woman A detestable have committed both

Deuteronomy 7:26
BIB: וְלֹא־ תָבִ֤יא תֽוֹעֵבָה֙ אֶל־ בֵּיתֶ֔ךָ
NAS: You shall not bring an abomination into your house,
KJV: Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house,
INT: shall not bring an abomination into your house

Deuteronomy 14:3
BIB: תֹאכַ֖ל כָּל־ תּוֹעֵבָֽה׃
NAS: any detestable thing.
KJV: Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
INT: eat any detestable

Deuteronomy 24:4
BIB: הֻטַּמָּ֔אָה כִּֽי־ תוֹעֵבָ֥ה הִ֖וא לִפְנֵ֣י
NAS: she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before
KJV: that she is defiled; for that [is] abomination before
INT: has been defiled that is an abomination he before

Proverbs 21:27
BIB: זֶ֣בַח רְ֭שָׁעִים תּוֹעֵבָ֑ה אַ֝֗ף כִּֽי־
NAS: of the wicked is an abomination, How much
KJV: of the wicked [is] abomination: how much more, [when] he bringeth
INT: the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination How when

Proverbs 28:9
BIB: גַּֽם־ תְּ֝פִלָּת֗וֹ תּוֹעֵבָֽה׃
NAS: Even his prayer is an abomination.
KJV: even his prayer [shall be] abomination.
INT: Even his prayer is an abomination

Isaiah 1:13
BIB: שָׁ֔וְא קְטֹ֧רֶת תּוֹעֵבָ֛ה הִ֖יא לִ֑י
NAS: Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon
KJV: incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons
INT: your worthless Incense is an abomination he New

Isaiah 41:24
BIB: וּפָעָלְכֶ֖ם מֵאָ֑פַע תּוֹעֵבָ֖ה יִבְחַ֥ר בָּכֶֽם׃
NAS: He who chooses you is an abomination.
KJV: of nought: an abomination [is he that] chooseth
INT: and your work of nought is an abomination chooses

Jeremiah 6:15
BIB: הֹבִ֕ישׁוּ כִּ֥י תוֹעֵבָ֖ה עָשׂ֑וּ גַּם־
NAS: because of the abomination they have done?
KJV: when they had committed abomination? nay,
INT: ashamed because of the abomination had committed even

Jeremiah 8:12
BIB: הֹבִ֕שׁוּ כִּ֥י תוֹעֵבָ֖ה עָשׂ֑וּ גַּם־
NAS: because of the abomination they had done?
KJV: when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all
INT: ashamed because of the abomination had committed were they

Ezekiel 16:50
BIB: וַֽתִּגְבְּהֶ֔ינָה וַתַּעֲשֶׂ֥ינָה תוֹעֵבָ֖ה לְפָנָ֑י וָאָסִ֥יר
NAS: and committed abominations before
KJV: and committed abomination before
INT: were haughty and committed abominations before removed

Ezekiel 18:12
BIB: נָשָׂ֣א עֵינָ֔יו תּוֹעֵבָ֖ה עָשָֽׂה׃
NAS: [and] commits abomination,
KJV: hath committed abomination,
INT: lifts his eyes abomination commits

Ezekiel 22:11
BIB: רֵעֵ֗הוּ עָשָׂה֙ תּֽוֹעֵבָ֔ה וְאִ֥ישׁ אֶת־
NAS: has committed abomination with his neighbor's
KJV: hath committed abomination with his neighbour's
INT: his neighbor's has committed abomination and another his daughter-in-law

Ezekiel 33:26
BIB: חַרְבְּכֶם֙ עֲשִׂיתֶ֣ן תּוֹעֵבָ֔ה וְאִ֛ישׁ אֶת־
NAS: you commit abominations and each
KJV: ye work abomination, and ye defile
INT: your sword commit abominations and each wife
I meant the photo Jaymax posted. I can't see photos. Or read Hebrew/Greek through my braille device, for that matter.
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