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View Poll Results: What should airport security in America look like?
No security at all. Let's preserve our freedom. 9 15.52%
Reduced security. The guys with the box cutters and shoe bombs may have gotten through, but we should just live with that risk. 26 44.83%
Same level of security as now. I'd rather sacrifice some freedom in the security line for the odds of a safer flight. 19 32.76%
Greater security. Let's reduce the risk as much as humanly possible at the expense of personal freedom. 4 6.90%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-10-2012, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't think it is a conservative vs liberal issue to begin with. The government is responsible for certain things, and providing security is one of them.
Hatred for government as an institution is a conservative paradigm. They believe in magic... that only private enterprise can deliver for their best interests. Just don't tell them about Mussolini also saying so.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:20 AM
 
Location: NC
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It seems that a common theme is that the TSA is a bunch of goose-stepping Nazis bent on taking away our freedom. So...what should the alternative look like? Should we can the whole thing and just let anyone with a ticket get on the plane, no questions asked? Or should we go back to the same security setup that let those guys with box cutters onto planes? What's the better setup?
Terrorism is just an excuse to spend $$$ and support the military industrial complex

including 9/11 not all that many US Citizens ever died to it or were threatened by it

just an excuse to take freedoms
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Hatred for government as an institution is a conservative paradigm. They believe in magic... that only private enterprise can deliver for their best interests. Just don't tell them about Mussolini also saying so.
They created homeland security with TSAs etc. It is typical of them to first argue for it, and then argue against it.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Hatred for government as an institution is a conservative paradigm. They believe in magic... that only private enterprise can deliver for their best interests. Just don't tell them about Mussolini also saying so.
And liberals think only the government can deliver for their best interests; that is their magic.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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They created homeland security with TSAs etc. It is typical of them to first argue for it, and then argue against it.
Its never about principles, it is about politics. It is about control at any cost.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They created homeland security with TSAs etc. It is typical of them to first argue for it, and then argue against it.
Homeland Security was created via the Patriot Act which was bipartisan.
Both Dems and Repubs wanted DHS. And all parts of the Patriot Act have been renewed since by both Congress and the President.

So "they" didn't create DHS. It was both sides.
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Old 01-10-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Who is "we"?

The airlines should be responsible for their own security and pilots allowed to carry a weapon in the cockpit.
I would be okay with that. Then people can choose to fly a airline that makes them feel safe.
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Old 01-10-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I think conservatives are fine with giving up their freedoms as long as the power lies with the private enterprise. And then they turn around and point fingers calling their opponents: Fascists.
You can choose whether or not to patronize a private company. Gov't mandates are a whole 'nother beast.
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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It seems that a common theme is that the TSA is a bunch of goose-stepping Nazis bent on taking away our freedom. So...what should the alternative look like? Should we can the whole thing and just let anyone with a ticket get on the plane, no questions asked? Or should we go back to the same security setup that let those guys with box cutters onto planes? What's the better setup?
We don't need to screen people for weapons today. It is not possible to repeat 911 regardless of what weapons you carry on board.

Disband TSA!
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Metal detectors, random pat down, and x ray checks of your baggage.

The reason 9/11 hijackers got into the cockpits is because they were LET into the cockpit. Yes, on the plane they got through security with small box cutters, but they were let into the cockpit.

As a rule, no one should be allowed into the cockpit once in flight.
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