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I'd like to see the markets decide. I'd love to have a non-TSA option with pre-9/11 security, a secure cockpit, and an air marshal. If the TSA makes you feel more comfortable - go for the TSA line.
It seems that a common theme is that the TSA is a bunch of goose-stepping Nazis bent on taking away our freedom. So...what should the alternative look like? Should we can the whole thing and just let anyone with a ticket get on the plane, no questions asked? Or should we go back to the same security setup that let those guys with box cutters onto planes? What's the better setup?
Why is it always either/or? There's a vast area in between you know.
Search the internet. You'll find that a shopping mall, and that is a shopping mall and not a strip mall, retails for about $4.1 Million.
In that $4.1 Million shopping mall you'll find anywhere from 6 to 12 armed and unarmed security guards in uniform or plain clothes on duty at any time.
How many security guards are on a $60 Million aircraft?
None. That's why you have the mess you have.
The first hijacking was in the 1950s, I think 1958, and it was a guy who dropped out of school in the 6th grade. The point is that cockpits have always been vulnerable, and 50 years after the first high-jacking you still don't have ****-pit doors that are properly secured.
Why can't the airlines put a plain-clothes security guard armed with a rubber or plastic bullets, a taser, etc in first class and coach? The airlines are certainly free to charge a $1 or two extra on ticket prices.
Other countries have CCTV in the cockpit so the pilots can see what is happening in the cabin. US airlines do not. Whose fault is that? The airlines. The aircraft is their asset, not mine, and not yours, and certainly not the government's. The airlines need to protect their own assets, and they can do that a relatively low cost, much cheaper than the TSA ever could.
There are also countries that have gas canisters in the cabins. You want to know which countries? I'm not telling. Do a little research and find out which countries buy aircraft and then send them to the McDonnell-Douglas mod facility in the California desert.
I'd like to see the markets decide. I'd love to have a non-TSA option with pre-9/11 security, a secure cockpit, and an air marshal. If the TSA makes you feel more comfortable - go for the TSA line.
How does the market work for dead people? How does it work between competing, for profit providers? And if privatization and market is the best bet to everything, why not privatize the military?
Instead of grouping and humiliation, a trained dog or two. They don't need to touch you, but if someone has explosive hidden on them, they'll smell it.
Then back to square one.
1. Use dogs to sniff people instead of machines
2. A bunch of people who are afraid of dogs will refuse to have dogs near them
3. Refuses of dog sniffing will instead need to have an enhanced pat down.
4. Said people will then come on this forum and get all dramatic about having a pat down they were sexually assaulted etc.
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Accepting theater and humiliation as 'comfort' is letting the robot masters win.
And I submit anyone who regards security procedures as "humiliation" either has self-esteem issues or a massive chip on their shoulder.
Here's what I'd like to know: since TSA was established, how many actual terrorists (not rumored ones, or people carrying a knife in their back pocket) have been apprehended before boarding a plane?
Heck, why stop there? Breathalyzer test for booze. Stop drunks and smokers from flying. Also ban children and infants. Ban fat people. Ban talkers. Strip searches for everyone. No, body cavity searches until they feel the back of your teeth! <sarcasm>
Here's what I'd like to know: since TSA was established, how many actual terrorists (not rumored ones, or people carrying a knife in their back pocket) have been apprehended before boarding a plane?
Now only if we can let people be completely free to walk-in as they wish, without any sign of oppressive security in sight...
I have flown 50 weeks a year for the past 3 years. I have absolutely zero problems with security, including the backscatter x-ray - you're exposed to more radiation in flight than during the x-ray and I could care less how much they can/can't see in the x-ray room.
We can have regulation of what security measures are employed prior to boarding a plane without the need for the TSA.
I have flown 50 weeks a year for the past 3 years. I have absolutely zero problems with security, including the backscatter x-ray - you're exposed to more radiation in flight than during the x-ray and I could care less how much they can/can't see in the x-ray room.
As I stated earlier, and may be you and I have been lucky as opposed to most of these non-travelers, the only noticeable change I've noticed is that guests are no longer allowed to the gates, and that we must take off shoes and laptops and like. I've yet to walk through "the naked machine".
Sure, some processes are dumb, some unnecessary and inefficient, but the relentless crying that we don't need such security or the idea that only privatization works for people's benefits (and somehow cost effective) is where I've issue with. Instead of calling for privatization or elimination, it should be about improving the services, ideas if people have any... but whining is something as natural as being a child at some point in life.
Here's what I'd like to know: since TSA was established, how many actual terrorists (not rumored ones, or people carrying a knife in their back pocket) have been apprehended before boarding a plane?
Here's what I'd like to now, how many terrorist attacks have their been? What terrorists should they have apprehended?
I don't see your point
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