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Old 01-23-2012, 07:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
By keeping the poor poor, we take away any incentive for them.

I would venture to say, knowing some who are on food stamps, that they would not be starving in the streets.
"Keeping the poor, poor"

Oh my what a lovely argument. You hear that poor people? Simply work harder! To hell with economic system! If everyone tried hard enough we would ALL BE BILLIONAIRS in this crazy little world conservatives seem to live in.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:33 PM
 
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The leftie/socialist/progressive/liberal mindset.

I mean, I really wouldn't care, but they place America at risk.
Really? How so? The corporations who are sending our jobs overseas aren't putting us at risk? The corporations that pollute our air, water, and soil aren't putting America at risk? What is it about liberals that scares you so badly that it would force you to believe that we are the enemy?
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:34 PM
 
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"Keeping the poor, poor"

Oh my what a lovely argument. You hear that poor people? Simply work harder! To hell with economic system! If everyone tried hard enough we would ALL BE BILLIONAIRS in this crazy little world conservatives seem to live in.
They don't get it, do they?
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:35 PM
 
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WTF! No. No one should be gaming the system. It hurts everyone, but those who need it most are hurt worst of all. Please don't forget this.



Then you should understand that there are many in the same position I am in, and worse. There are many who need help but can't get it. If you knew how hard it is to get disability. It took me nearly six years, and this despite the fact that I have COPD, have had a heart attack, three heart surgeries, and a crippled left shoulder, arm and hand that is in constant pain. And I won't go into the effect all of that has had on my emotional health. Chronic depression is crippling all by itself.
Those in NEED should get help.

A healthy man with three teens should not.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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He won't let the Keystone pipe line come through and that would create thousands of new jobs.
No, it will not. That has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. TransCanada's own petition for a permit totally debunks your claim. How sad is that?

Not to mention that it is very heavy sour oil, that is totally useless to you; it will not lower oil prices; it will not lower gasoline prices; you can't even use that oil to produce gasoline because the cost of Sulfur redux to EPA Tier 2 standards is too exorbitant, and it would cost even more under EPA Tier 3 standards (10 ppm Sulfur) that are forthcoming; you can't even use the diesel from high Sulfur oils (you're exporting it); and the pipeline terminates at a US Commerce Department designated Foreign Trade Zone, so it is destined for export, not domestic consumption.

Debunking...

Mircea

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Umm, yeah? I was a single male parent raising 2 children, and at one point when I was laid off and looking for full time work, I worked as many as 4 part time jobs a week, in addition to medical appts, shopping, cooking and cleaning. If I can do it, why can't someone else?
That's because you embrace the dirty nasty "R" word that Liberals hate: Responsibility.

You manned up, took responsibility and did what needed to be done. Too bad more Americans can't do that.

Lauding...

Mircea

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Originally Posted by Book Lover 21 View Post
One of my liberal friends was complaining on Facebook that with the current welfare amount she gets, she is not able to eat at restaurants much. Excuse me? You are sitting around whining on Facebook about the fact that MY tax money isn't enough for you to go to Applebee's? And in the comments, all her welfare buddies were commiserating with her. But you better believe she is at the Twilight movies on opening night and binge drinking every weekend (Yeah, she posts stupid stuff after she is hammered).

So, like it or not, this is my image of the average food stamp recipient.
That's pretty accurate.

I live in ghetto-land and at Kroger's you always see Food Stamp recipients buying beer and MD 20/20, or trying to engage you in Food Stamp fraud so they can get cash to buy alcohol or drugs.

I remember doing a stint as a cable-TV installer and I couldn't afford to have cable TV, yet here I am in welfare land installing cable in the projects for all the welfare queens and their live-in flavor of the month.

I worked at Kroger's while going to Miami University, and the townies (red-necks and Appalachian trash) would come in and buy a candy bar with their Food Stamp coupons so they could get the cash to buy beer and cigarettes. That was back in the day before EBT cards.

Commiserating with you...

Mircea

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I think you people make this crap up. I am on disability (and believe me, if I had any other choice, I wouldn't be on it), and am eligible for a whopping $16/month in foodstamps. Needless to say, I don't bother with it. But the disability I get doesn't cut it either. After rent and utilities, doctor bills and medicines, I have just enough money to buy food for about 20 days out of the month. And I'm due for yet another operation in the next two months. So I have to go to Dare to Care once a month to get food suppliments. And I NEVER go our to eat, or do much of anything else (except post on the internet). I don't even own a television.
Then you need to alter your life-style.

I live on disability and I do just fine. There's an animal called Craigs List. You can find a place and share it with someone else and increase your disposable income.

You can also move to any number of other places in the US where the cost-of-living is significantly cheaper.

Look into it.

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I'm disabled and I'm telling you that very few people can survive on a food allowance of $160/month. Not in this country. Not in this economy. What is very easy is to criticize the disadvantaged. Congratulations.
Then don't make it easy for us to criticize.

You have choices, but you refuse to exercise them. That's not my problem.

I didn't use Student Loans to pay for my education. I paid for it myself. I got a stipend of $10,200 or whatever it was, and worked part-time or full-time to support myself. I even shared an apartment with others, sometimes 2 other people so that I could have the money to live my life the way I like to live it.

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Erm, I'm afraid that not everyone will find your menu to be palatable (or healthy).
It's perfectly healthy. As far as palatable, there's condiments and sauces for that.

I rent a condo, albeit in the 12th Level of Hell. I eat at fine dining at least once a month. Can't help it. I love escargot. I walk down to Findlay Market and buy some yummy Chilean sea bass, which sells for $24.99/lb. But I also buy a 3-lb bag of chicken livers for $3.00. I'll take two pounds and make liver pate, which I'll eat as a snack on my home-made toasted bread. Better than potato chips and all the other garbage. I make my own pita bread and hummus. I cut up my own chickens, and use the backbones and neck bones for chicken and dumplings. I usually save a leg-quarter for chicken paprikash.

Stupid consumers buy microwave popcorn. Smart consumers buy a 1 pound bag for $0.89. Sure, it takes 4:30 seconds to cook on the stove instead of 2:30 seconds in the microwave, but what the Hell?

The main problem is that people are stupid and lazy consumers, and even that wouldn't be so bad, except that they've become accustomed to the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢. That life-style is over; it's done; put a fork in it.

I said 5 years ago when I came to this forum that when it was all over, and you ain't done by a long-shot (things will get worse over the next 10 years -- not better), that 25%-35% of Americans will have to share housing accommodations with other families or with persons similarly situated. I wasn't joking.

If people want more than one car, if they want cable/satellite, internet and cell-phones, if they want to eat out, if they want NetFlix and World of Warcraft, then mom and dad and the trophy kid are going to have to share a 2 or 3-bedroom apartment or rental home with another mom and dad and trophy kid.

Like I said, take your paycheck and recalculate FICA/Medicare at 16.4% and 3.7% respectively.

If you make $40,000/year, you're going pay $8,040 in FICA/Medicare taxes and that ends up being $670/month. Under the current scheme you're paying $303/month (6.2%FICA/2.9%Medicare).

The big question is can you afford to lose $367/month and how will that impact your life-style?

Surviving well...

Mircea

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Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson View Post
I have found that unpopular cuts of meets are very economical and taste just as good as the pricier stuff. I've made oxtail stew, eaten beef tongue (which was darn good, by the way), as well as pigs feet (and snouts), and some other interesting things along the way.

It's interesting to note that many "ethnic" recipes used non-prime cuts of meat such as tripe for menudo, offal for haggis or the Cajun version which I don't know how to spell...chaudiere (show-dere) or boudain.

Beans and rice are a huge, huge standby in most cultures. You can make a great meal for three or four people for less than $10 which includes garlic, onions, and seasoning.

To be honest, people who don't try these wonderful alternatives to the "SAD" (standard American diet), really don't know what they are missing.

20yrsinBranson
I'm not big on Tofu, but someone showed my how to cook it and it was almost like a steak. I was surprised, but then when dealing with the non-prime cuts of meats, preparation is everything. Plenty of recipes on the internet. Sometimes instead of Filet Mignon I get a cheaper cut of meat and smother in Bearnaise sauce. I buy beef tripe and some beef bones (usually oxtails) and clean and boil the tripe, then cut it into strips, change the water, throw the beef tripe and oxtails in the new water along with celery root, fennel root, pasternak, carrots and an onion and let that simmer for a few hours, then pull the vegetables and bones out, add some vinegar and sour cream mixed with egg yolks and that's a good soup to eat with home-made bread and some pickled peppers.

I used to hate soup beans, but one of my great-grandmothers dumped some corn relish on my plate and that made them taste better. My mother noticed that, so from then on we had corn relish or dill pickle relish on the table when soup beans were served (and biscuits for me instead of corn bread).

Eating good...

Mircea

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1. Yes. Have you looked at teen unemployment lately? And shouldn't these kids be in school rather than out working at Mac's?
I worked. Had a paper route from age 13 to 17; worked at Wendy's from 16 through graduation; ran sound and lights for a band and then played out in my band. $200-$250 split 6 ways plus crew doesn't go very far, but about 18 months later or so we were getting $500 plus 20%-505% of the gate. $5 cover, and 1,000 people. That's a lot of money.

Working through school...

Mircea
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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We have a moral responsability to help others.
Oh by the way how did you come to this conclusion?
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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Well gee, how does that work? I am an atheist and am the poorest (financially) person I know.
Try prayer.

It works!
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I can and I will judge, since they are living off of the fruits of MY labor.
The insolence is absolutely amazing isn't it?

They demand that everyone else subsidize and fund their life-style with no strings attached. What gall.

Their concept of "social justice" is totally at odds in a "Give-n-Take World."

Judging...


Mircea
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:39 PM
 
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Even when the economy is great there are people that abuse the system.

There is no excuse for generational welfare.

You can find people in the exact same situations that strive for success while others do absolutely nothing to improve themselves.
This is very true. I recently witnessed two situations at the supermarket regarding food stamps.

The first one was a single mom around 19 or 20 who talked on her cell phone while the cashier had to seperate her food stamp purchases from her WIC purchases. She didn't look phased in the least that the taxpayer was paying for her because she couldn't use birth control. To her it's normal, you have a baby, and the taxpayer buys your food.

The second was a woman with two small boys who was buying a lot canned goods, soup, and two for one items. There was a problem with her food stamp card and it was holding up the line, she apologized to me and I said no problem. She then told me she got laid off.

You could tell she was stressed and embarassed(she shouldn't have been) about having an EBT card.

That's the difference.

We have people that actually need help and then we have people who think they're entitled because they made bad choices.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:42 PM
 
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The insolence is absolutely amazing isn't it?

They demand that everyone else subsidize and fund their life-style with no strings attached. What gall.

Their concept of "social justice" is totally at odds in a "Give-n-Take World."

Judging...


Mircea
You know what?

A "Thank you" from the recipient class would be nice, instead of their "FU** YOU, give me more!" attitudes.

Did you notice......There was not ONE recipient who posted on here that had anything good to say to us taxpayers.
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