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Old 02-09-2012, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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>A horrible legislation is finally repealed
>Sad day for american children

No, maybe we can finally put this idiotic standardized testing bull behind us.

You can't measure a student by how well they test.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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No child left behind had teachers teaching to the lowest performing students.

Its a good think that its repealed, maybe you should learn something about it before you denigrate the order.

Had nothing to do with unions.
Thank you.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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No child left behind had teachers teaching to the lowest performing students.

Its a good think that its repealed, maybe you should learn something about it before you denigrate the order.

Had nothing to do with unions.
This isn't going to remove poor students and mentally challenged students into their own place as you infer. It will just let the teacher's union rubber stamp all their failures with a diploma.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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Once again, I'm so confused. One day we read about abolishing federal intervention in public school, the next day its carping about the Dept of Education ending the interference in public schools. Both of which are the fault of the teacher's unions. Does anyone think that it is possible that someday the critics will decide on one nonconflicting criticism?
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:06 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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>A horrible legislation is finally repealed
>Sad day for american children

No, maybe we can finally put this idiotic standardized testing bull behind us.

You can't measure a student by how well they test.
Test are a fact of life. Not only for students but for many adults. You want into college? You have to take test (SAT ACT). You want into the military? You have to pass the test. You want to be a nurse, pilot, barber, telephone tech, plumber, doctor, lawyer, blackjack dealer? You have to pass test. People are measured all the time by test. You either know it or you don't.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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This isn't going to remove poor students and mentally challenged students into their own place as you infer. It will just let the teacher's union rubber stamp all their failures with a diploma.
But instead of teachers having to focus on just the test, it allows them to focus on the students that are achieving their goals properly, and allows them to move on while they dig deeper on the under achievers.

My son is exceptionally bright. High IQ, I'm proud of him. In second grade, he is reading on a fifth grade level. But the local school, because of meth heads and parents that don't give a damn, keeps getting a B rating from NCLB. So they ignore him, and focus on the kids that aren't passing the test.

If I were less of a parent, and not as involved with my childs education, he would fall to the lowest standard like other students in his class.

This removes an over regulated system that tied teachers hands to let good students fly.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:06 PM
 
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This isn't going to remove poor students and mentally challenged students into their own place as you infer. It will just let the teacher's union rubber stamp all their failures with a diploma.
No, it may not, but it will take the pressure off of schools that have been stressing out about the performance of said "mentally challenged students" at the expense of all of the others for over a decade now...

Teachers might actually be allowed to get back to teaching now.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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Once again, I'm so confused. One day we read about abolishing federal intervention in public school, the next day its carping about the Dept of Education ending the interference in public schools. Both of which are the fault of the teacher's unions. Does anyone think that it is possible that someday the critics will decide on one nonconflicting criticism?
Until we have leaders in this country that have courage and conviction like Gov Walker in Wisconsin that are willing to take on and pull the fangs out of the teacher unions, this country will continue to fall further behind the rest of the world.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Test are a fact of life. Not only for students but for many adults. You want into college? You have to take test (SAT ACT). You want into the military? You have to pass the test. You want to be a nurse, pilot, barber, telephone tech, plumber, doctor, lawyer, blackjack dealer? You have to pass test. People are measured all the time by test. You either know it or you don't.
The way NCLB used standardized testing was stupid. You cannot measure how well a school is doing simply by measuring how well they do on a test.

YOu know what that led to? I was a high school student when NCLB got enacted, and I can tell you exactly what happened.

They focused more on helping students pass tests than actually learning the subject.

NCLB was a piece of crap legislation, and I'm glad it's gone so my daughter who's going through school right now won't be hindered by it.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:09 PM
 
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With the teacher unions finally getting their way and killing off the No Children Left Behind program, they have effectively ended any pretense at reform. This comes on top of them killing off the low income choice programs in DC and Wisconsin and trying with various degrees of success to kill off public charter schools. This is why we as Americans will LOSE. We all lose when the teacher unions win.
I agree it is a sad day for kids. Not because the notorious NCLB is being waived, but because it is being replaced with another idiotic program that is undoubtedly even worse.

NCLB waivers: The devil is in the details - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post
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