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It would be a moot point if these ghetto minded people had some self control and dignity.
It is a constitutional question.
You WILL see me on YouTube asking my "representatives" where their constitutional powers came from for the votes they made.
It matters not if they are D's or R's.
What about the clowns that pull the strings? Should'nt they have some self control and dignity? After all if it was not for the unconditional greed of many of them this country would not be in the crisis that it is in now. As far as you asking your representatives to do anything, Ha! good luck on that one! If you don't have the money to disuade them you are looked at as some clown with a horn in a middle of a busy intersection.....seen but not heard. Besides, they have enough uneducated fools to replace your vote anyway.
It's fun to see the simple minded tell everyone how simple the solutions to all the countries problems are. Cute.
When I hear "simple" I know it's anything but.
What's not "simple" about making sure you don't get pregnant when you can't feed the child you might otherwise create?
Are you saying that it's too complicated to be that responsible?
What about the clowns that pull the strings? Should'nt they have some self control and dignity? After all if it was not for the unconditional greed of many of them this country would not be in the crisis that it is in now.
True. Everyone. Actually I have compassion for someone at wit's end trying to find work so they can sustain their family and despose someone doing well who works the "edge" for personal gain. Edge can be any type of unethical behaviour for personal gain when someone has a position of trust. Of course, at that point many a CEO and/or senior company officer would be terminated and someone found who has the best interest of the share holder. Many a politician would lose their office to the other fellow who his sold his vote..etc.
But I think it is understood that The poor actions of others have never been sufficient rationalization for one to follow that route.
No one would be complaining of we had jobs with living wages and prospects for growth.
What about the money grubbing, tax-bloated public social service organizations who pay more to their lazy directors and social workers who sit in offices all day and take three-hour lunches instead of going into the community to help the people they're supposed to help?
I cannot argue something that you believe is true, but you need to know that the directors are at the whim of whatever political buttwipe that is governor at the time. The social workers (at least the ones in Pa) all do not do home visits only a select few. The way that it is set up people report to their respective offices depending on where they live. Judging from your response you are not very well educated on the welfare system and what it can and can not do. The offices are limited to budget and political restraints, but obviously you did not know that.
BTW, I did not formulate any stereotype, what I said comes from the experiences that I had as a caseworker
What's not "simple" about making sure you don't get pregnant when you can't feed the child you might otherwise create?
Are you saying that it's too complicated to be that responsible?
I don't think anyone is saying you SHOULD get pregnant knowing you can't feed a child.
I don't think anyone is saying that SHOULDN'T have a long-term plan.
What I personally am disagreeing with is your notion that before starting a family you should plan for every possible life event that may occur.
When I was born my parents were married. My dad said my mother didn't have to work so how she used her check was at her discretion. She did save the majority of it. However, when my dad decided to leave he left with the majority of that money. I guess she could have put 50% in a joint account & 50% in a private account but I guess she wasn't planning for him to be a jerk.
So we struggled for awhile. She worked, we rebounded.
Then my mom got remarried. Many years later my step-dad was diagnosed with colon cancer. Yep we had insurance but toward the end my mom had to leave her job to take care of him. So we struggled for awhile, then we rebounded.
After he died, she got a new job. A few years later (2004) hurricanes tore our city apart. Her job closed, our house was damaged, she & my younger brother moved in with me.
I don't know what kind financial plan she could have possibly had that would have covered all that so by your views me & my siblings shouldn't have been born. Yet here we are...three tax paying college graduates.
I don't think anyone is saying you SHOULD get pregnant knowing you can't feed a child.
I don't think anyone is saying that SHOULDN'T have a long-term plan.
What I personally am disagreeing with is your notion that before starting a family you should plan for every possible life event that may occur.
When I was born my parents were married. My dad said my mother didn't have to work so how she used her check was at her discretion. She did save the majority of it. However, when my dad decided to leave he left with the majority of that money. I guess she could have put 50% in a joint account & 50% in a private account but I guess she wasn't planning for him to be a jerk.
So we struggled for awhile. She worked, we rebounded.
Then my mom got remarried. Many years later my step-dad was diagnosed with colon cancer. Yep we had insurance but toward the end my mom had to leave her job to take care of him. So we struggled for awhile, then we rebounded.
After he died, she got a new job. A few years later (2004) hurricanes tore our city apart. Her job closed, our house was damaged, she & my younger brother moved in with me.
I don't know what kind financial plan she could have possibly had that would have covered all that so by your views me & my siblings shouldn't have been born. Yet here we are...three tax paying college graduates.
I'm glad you and your family rebounded. I really am. That's what safety nets like food stamps and welfare are for. Temporary assitance until you can get back on your feet.
But to be clear, WIC is not a safety net. WIC is specifically set up to help those who can't feed their children. I see no valid reason why WIC should be necessary if people exercised personsal responsiblity before getting pregnant. If a person can't buy formula or other food for a newborn or toddlers, they shouldn't have children. Period.
Bad luck and bad decisions are two different things. Bad luck, in theory, gets you welfare and food stamps. Bad decisions get a person WIC.
Bad luck and bad decisions are two different things. Bad luck, in theory, gets you welfare and food stamps. Bad decisions get a person WIC.
And this is where you and I disagree because you can not look at a person getting WIC and determine if they are getting it because of bad choices or bad luck. Even the best made plans fail sometimes.
I personally like to believe that my life is typical of middle class America. You hit some bumps in the road but you recover and keep on going. So I am in favor of programs like WIC for that reason. Of course I know that there are some people who are going to milk the system. That is human nature. Any time there is a program, a test, a venue, etc there will be at least one person who tires to cheat the system, to get it for free. As long as people have free will that's always going to be the case.
I just don't agree with the "let the actions of a few ruin it for everyone" concept.
I'm glad you and your family rebounded. I really am. That's what safety nets like food stamps and welfare are for. Temporary assitance until you can get back on your feet.
But to be clear, WIC is not a safety net. WIC is specifically set up to help those who can't feed their children. I see no valid reason why WIC should be necessary if people exercised personsal responsiblity before getting pregnant. If a person can't buy formula or other food for a newborn, they shouldn't have a newborn. Period.
Bad luck and bad decisions are two different things. Bad luck, in theory, gets you welfare and food stamps. Bad decisions get a person WIC.
WIC was NOT "set up to help those who can't feed their children".
It was established because too many babies were being born with problems due to malnutrition of the mother. It was deemed easier to feed low income pregnant women than it was to care for the infants born with major health problems due to lack of proper nutrition.
Young children growing up in poverty need to eat healthy foods - just like children everywhere; proper nutrition feeds the body and the mind.
I have read this whole thread. I take the stance that WIC is a good program that does not need cutting. (Yes, I used it 30 years ago.)
WIC was NOT "set up to help those who can't feed their children".
It was established because too many babies were being born with problems due to malnutrition of the mother. It was deemed easier to feed low income pregnant women than it was to care for the infants born with major health problems due to lack of proper nutrition.
Young children growing up in poverty need to eat healthy foods - just like children everywhere; proper nutrition feeds the body and the mind.
I have read this whole thread. I take the stance that WIC is a good program that does not need cutting. (Yes, I used it 30 years ago.)
That was the "original" intent. But the original intent.....as with every other government program.....is so widely skewed and abused that discussions like this have to take place....especially a taxpayer dollars and personal irresponsibility are concerned.
What's not "simple" about making sure you don't get pregnant when you can't feed the child you might otherwise create?
Are you saying that it's too complicated to be that responsible?
I'm responsible. Unfortunately I don't live everyone else's life for them and neither do you. We know that lot's of people are ignorant, unlucky, irresponsible and others are downright stupid. FACTS. That's the problem with this argument, it always hits that wall. HENCE..not simple is it?
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As far as you asking your representatives to do anything, Ha! good luck on that one! If you don't have the money to disuade them you are looked at as some clown with a horn in a middle of a busy intersection.....seen but not heard. Besides, they have enough uneducated fools to replace your vote anyway.
