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Old 03-02-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Kkaos2 View Post
Try not ignoring the fact that Georgetown is a religious school and birth control is against their religion while none of your other examples are.

Tell you what - Come up with an example where men are given coverage for something that is against their religion.

Alternatively, come with with an example where women are denied coverage for something that isn't against their religion.

Ether one will work. Then you can make it somehow anti-woman.

But until then, it's apples and oranges at best and deliberate obfuscation at worst to try to make this a feminist political issue.
I'm not ignoring the fact that Georgetown is affiliated with the Catholic Church. I'm pointing out that Georgetown University is not a person. The Catholic Church isn't a person either. People have religious beliefs. When the Catholic Church engages in employment, or a Catholic-affiliated school engages in teaching, they are acting as institutions, not as persons. Institutions don't have religious beliefs. The Mormon Tabernacle may symbolize the Mormon faith, but it's just stone and mortar. The building doesn't have a religious belief. It's not a person. When St Mary's hires a janitor to clean the floors, St Mary's is an employer paying someone for a service. It's not a person. People may run St Mary's, but the building is just a building. And the janitor doesn't become the property of St Mary's just because he or she works there.

As a term of employment, St Mary's can demand certain things. They can dictate the hours the janitor works. They can even require that the nuns and priests refrain from sex. But if they offer a benefit such as insurance that covers prescriptions, then they don't have the right to dictate discriminate. And since they are discriminating, they are morally in the wrong. For their insurance to refuse to cover medication that treats many medical conditions, and that refusal to be based on the gender of the patient, is discrimination.

 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: California
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You listen here. You say I don't have the right to say this or say that. Well, when I have to pay for this and the federal government mandates that its paid for, then sorry but we do have the right to speak up.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Yes, look it up. Fine protest, but in todays society women are as bad as men and cant stand to keep their legs closed anymore than a man keep keep his pants on. Take a look at this college chick for example
It's a tough road ahead and you will be amazed at what your taxes support. Government thinks big picture, what's best for society, and we don't have the freedom or luxury to argue every point as we personally see it when it comes to something as personal as someone health care or reproduction. The general population just doesn't even have the expertise to comment most of the time and we have put people in place to make such decision, people who do have the expertise.

While it's a free country and you do have access to onlne forums to say anything that pops into your head, it doesn't mean much. Rants agaisn't people having sex are always fun though.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ceece View Post
You need to use google, or just frackign read a thread. This one is full of that info multiple times.

It isn't your business WHY hormorne drugs or BC pills are prescribed to anyone.
When the public is paying for them it sure as hell is.

Oh, and I do know what other ailments they are used for. All of these ailments do have other treatment options as well.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:14 PM
 
Location: On the Ohio River in Western, KY
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What is it about "Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion" that Cav Sout wife can't understand?

Oh I fully understand it, make no mistake. I just think the Catholic stance is ignorant and perpetuates poverty and greed.

As for Congress prohibiting freedoms, they BTDT why should religion be any different? Our money still says "In G-d We Trust." right?

If I owned a business I would have no problem with offering ham sandwiches in the cafeteria. Just because I wouldn't eat them (to do so is against my religion), doesn't mean my employees wouldn't want one, and we all know; healthy happy employees are more productive, more loyal, and more stable.

And let's be honest a BLT isn't nearly as important as reproductive health. Hell, some insurance companies cover Viagra since they have deemed it important to male reproductive health, male psychological health, and male well being. Why not cover a medicine that can prevent cancer in women, reduce anemia, reduce cysts, and prevent potential surgeries? OH an reduces the number of our population that has a direct effect on society in a positive way.

When are you people going to realize that sex is NOT DIRTY, it is HEALTHY and good for you.

Please don't project your sexual repressions on the rest of us who happen to thoroughly have no hang ups with a natural healthy act.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:14 PM
 
Location: California
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When the public is paying for them it sure as hell is.

Oh, and I do know what other ailments they are used for. All of these ailments do have other treatment options as well.
PUBLIC PAYING for lots of things bucko. It's how our country functions.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Why don't we just rename a medication then that is intended for hormonal medication purposes.. Make it payable through insurance...

Case in point... Wellbutrin. When I was trying to quit smoking I went to the Doctors. She told me, if I prescribe you Zyban its not payable through the insurance. If I prescribe Wellbutrin it is. Same exact drug. And guess what... she prescribed as Zyban because that's what it was for, to quit smoking. I paid myself. So rename some of these and I guess just hope that we have the same kind of honest doctors as I had.

Then, if the women needs it for a true medicinal reason she gets it... if it's for birth control only.. she's on her own..... condoms... not at all. (And I'm a women so don't start preaching that I'm being unfair to women..)
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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PUBLIC PAYING for lots of things bucko. It's how our country functions.
Yes. Paying for Needs, not Wants. You want to pay for OC's for polycystic ovaries, fair enough. Not solely for birth control. If a woman presents herself with PCOS then she should have OC's covered. If it's for birth control, go buy them like everyone else.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I just heard Jay Carney trying to protect the poor girl because of all the attacks on her. Everybody does know that Jay Carney speaks for our President and Glorious Leader so I guess you can see Obama siding with the progs here. Keep on line progs as you may need that in a few months.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ceece View Post
It's a tough road ahead and you will be amazed at what your taxes support. Government thinks big picture, what's best for society, and we don't have the freedom or luxury to argue every point as we personally see it when it comes to something as personal as someone health care or reproduction. The general population just doesn't even have the expertise to comment most of the time and we have put people in place to make such decision, people who do have the expertise.

While it's a free country and you do have access to onlne forums to say anything that pops into your head, it doesn't mean much. Rants agaisn't people having sex are always fun though.
You have WAAAYYY too much faith in government. Scary.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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Oh I fully understand it, make no mistake. I just think the Catholic stance is ignorant and perpetuates poverty and greed.

As for Congress prohibiting freedoms, they BTDT why should religion be any different? Our money still says "In G-d We Trust." right?

If I owned a business I would have no problem with offering ham sandwiches in the cafeteria. Just because I wouldn't eat them (to do so is against my religion), doesn't mean my employees wouldn't want one, and we all know; healthy happy employees are more productive, more loyal, and more stable.

And let's be honest a BLT isn't nearly as important as reproductive health. Hell, some insurance companies cover Viagra since they have deemed it important to male reproductive health, male psychological health, and male well being. Why not cover a medicine that can prevent cancer in women, reduce anemia, reduce cysts, and prevent potential surgeries? OH an reduces the number of our population that has a direct effect on society in a positive way.

When are you people going to realize that sex is NOT DIRTY, it is HEALTHY and good for you.

Please don't project your sexual repressions on the rest of us who happen to thoroughly have no hang ups with a natural healthy act.
You will supply the ham sandwiches because you will still make a profit. You are comparing apples and oranges.

There are plenty of other medicines that can HELP in the prevention of cancer, reduce anemia, reduce cysts and prevent potential surgeries.
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