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Sure, the wealthy always want the "topic" to be federal income tax, it is a progressive tax. You don't want to discuss payroll taxes because that is a highly regressive FEDERAL TAX that everyone pays, that hits the working poor and middle class much harder than the wealthy income earners.
You failed to say which group of these 47% you wanta tax, you wanta tax welfare and food stamps? You wanta tax unemployment benefits more? You angling to eliminate deductions and credits for the working poor while you leave deductions and credits in place for the mega corporations that make billions in profited and pay zero in taxes? Sure sounds like class warfare!!!!
Notice how when WE suggest raising taxes a little bit on millionaires and billionaires, the autobot response from the right wing is, "that will discourage them from working and investing," but these same people don't think that raising taxes on the working poor or the middle-class just making ends meet won't discourage them.
How can anyone logically argue for the rich to "pay their fair share" of federal income taxes when in fact 47% of American's pay ZERO federal income taxes?
Yes, most people pay payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare, etc). Those monies go to fund specific priorities, so there's no need for the obtuse to come forth and deflect. We're talking Federal INCOME taxes.....the money that goes to fund the public goods and services that we American's consume.
How is it "FAIR" that millions of a American's pay ZERO in light of the current class warfare schtick being pushed by the Left?
Where's the "fairness?"
Due to being involved with some short sales I have seen some people's tax returns...and OMG they are shocking and I wonder how long it will take before they will get an audit...
deducting hair cuts
deducting clothes (while not having a job where it is allowed to deduct a dime for clothes)
deducting thousands for computers while having a sole proprietorship and us with a medium size office not even deducting 25% of what they deducted.
deducting huge amounts for meals....
In the end they all didn't pay a dime and claimed a loss for year after year...I don't know who checks on these tax returns but to me they all are scammers.
You want want to know the real reason liberals in Congress have created this situation? Of course you don't, but I am going to tell you anyway.
They want to create a majority voting block that will vote for reps and Sens that will support and pass tax increases, spending increases etc., to increase their power, and reduce the freedom of the people. Since they pay no taxes to begin with, they are more than happy to vote in tax and spenders, cause it is one someone else's dime.
And some rubest who pay taxes are stupid enough to along with it.
It has nothing to do with compassion.
It has nothing to do with helping the poor
It has nothing to do with helping the elderly
It has nothing to do with helping the children
It has nothing to do with helping the infirm
It has everything to do with power, political power.
And just in case you haven't figured it out yet,
The larger political power grows (that would be the ruling class), the smaller freedom shrinks (that would be you).
And double shame on you for brutish personal attack.
Essentially, you are complaining about is that liberal elected officials want to enact policies that the majority of Americans want, (instead of the policies that the elite want) not because those policies help average people (which they do) but because it gives them power.
First, there isn't any evidence of this paranoid line of thinking. Liberals want to enact policies that help the needy because there is merit in helping the needy.
Second, there is very much evidence that programs that are designed to help the poor and middle-class, help the poor and middle-class. Subsidizing college actually does help the people getting those subsidies.
What I read from your post is pretzel logic. Liberals want to "support and pass tax increases, spending increases etc., to increase their power" but what do we see in the real world? We see the GOP supporting tax-cuts for the rich; spending cuts for the poor; subsidies for oil companies, etc. and you don't seem to connect that the GOP does the bidding of the already powerful, to get contributions and money from this group for their own quest for power. As a middle-class American, I am much more offended by a political party that tilts the benefits of America towards the rich and powerful than one that represents the majority of Americans.
What you are very much saying is that power should rest with the elite and not the vast majority of Americans. We've been there. That's why we had the American Revolution.
Flat tax-- for all 20%. And that would include those super wealthy who avoid paying by taxing interest on bonds and capital gains and all those other loop holes. Just simply take total gross wherever it comes from and hit everyone the same. Panacea !!
Flat tax-- for all 20%. And that would include those super wealthy who avoid paying by taxing interest on bonds and capital gains and all those other loop holes. Just simply take total gross wherever it comes from and hit everyone the same. Panacea !!
A flat tax places a disproportinate burden on the poor, leading to greater disparity between rich and poor, which is why it has been resoundingly rejected.
Notice how when WE suggest raising taxes a little bit on millionaires and billionaires, the autobot response from the right wing is, "that will discourage them from working and investing," but these same people don't think that raising taxes on the working poor or the middle-class just making ends meet won't discourage them.
Are you attempting to tell us that the difference in the two situations escapes you? Really? You don't see the difference?
Well, let me help you out.
The rich are paying more (approx twice) their fair share, and carrying the vast bulk of the cost of gov't. IRS figures show top 1%, earn about 20% of all income, but pay approx 40% of all income taxes paid.
The bottom feeders, pay nothing, or even get money from the government on top of not paying Income tax, and need to step up to the plate just like grown up Americans are expected to, and pay their fair share, or at least a semblance thereof.
Flat tax-- for all 20%. And that would include those super wealthy who avoid paying by taxing interest on bonds and capital gains and all those other loop holes. Just simply take total gross wherever it comes from and hit everyone the same. Panacea !!
The idea that the flat-tax is fair is propaganda being dispersed by political action groups paid by the wealthiest in the nation. Hint: They're not doing this because they think their taxes will rise.
Billionaires who know that their taxes will dive under a flat-tax fund the flat-tax movement and dupe middle-class conservatives to back this "fair" system even though such a plan would certainly make those middle-class conservative's taxes rise.
The flat-tax has nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with making rich people's taxes fall. If fairness meant that the richies taxes would rise the proposal wouldn't be discussed at all.
In any case, we already have a flat tax, when one includes ALL taxes.
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The first negative consequence of a flat tax is the tax burden would be greatly shifted from richer Americans to poorer Americans. Due to the progressivity of the tax code, bad economy and ability for lower and middle class Americans to take advantage of tax expenditures, roughly 50 percent of Americans do not have an income tax liability. (Note: this is for federal income tax only; poor and middle class Americans still pay federal payroll taxes, and state and local taxes.) Implementing a flat tax that ended many popular tax expenditures would mean most, if not all, Americans would pay some income tax, effectively raising the taxes on the poorest 50 percent of Americans. Simultaneously, a flat tax would give a huge tax break for the highest income earners. According to an analysis done by the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, a 15 percent flat tax would lead to an 11 percent tax break for those making between $500,000-1,000,000 and a 19 percent tax break for those making over $1,000,000. Raising taxes on the poor and middle class while drastically lowering taxes on the rich during a weak economy does not reflect America's compassionate values. link
If they think they are owed a free ride, then they aren't acting grown up. They are acting like spoiled, selfish brats, or, as I like to say, LIBERALS!!!!
You can have an objective fair share. How about everyone pay the same rate. Same-Same sounds fair to me.
Name calling again. Your "argument" and the Hindenberg have everything in common.
Liar. Your grandparents paid no federal income tax? Ever? I call BS. You have given no facts, only rhetorical talking points.
YOU are enabling the "ruling class" and you don't even realize it. Sad, really sad.
You CALL BS???? You SPEW BS!!!! Of course they did. My grandpa was a contractor and not a pauper. Well you might be right about the other one. He died in about 1930, so he might not have. He owned a sugar-cane processing plant.
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