Monkeys, Vaccines, Autism (injection, health care, regular, Amish)
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If vaccines truly caused autism wouldn't we have seen a great rise in it during the 1950s-1970s when they had campaigns to end Polio (which is almost eradicated) and Smallpox (which has been eradicated)? I feel more inclined to the theory some scientists have proposed on environmental toxins being responsible for the rise in autism. Not to long ago we learned that a lot of meat is primarily made up of pink slime, some foods are genetically modified, others are pumped with hormones and who knows what other chemicals.
Pretty sure 'pink slime' isn't what you think.
I don't know why the rise in autism except for personal observation of a parent with odd traits which seem to be magnified in their autistic kids. To be fair I've only known 3 families who have kids on the spectrum but in each case one of the parents had idiosyncrasies and a little social awkwardness, nothing major that held them back from life or labeled them, but it did make me wonder if something is just growing exponentially with each generation.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a
disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of
common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism.
Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
Sadly, watch the supporters of the shots get to work to try and negate the truth about this subject, and how we that rejected immunizations for our children are, and will be proven full of wisdom for many years, to come.
The article you linked to is gibberish.
How is polio vaccine supposed to prevent infection with non-poilo viruses?
You seem to have missed the news. Children's vaccines no longer contain mercury. That has not stopped autism.
Some anti-vaccine groups know that now, so some of them blame the immune systems inflammatory response to the vaccine as the cause; that it causes inflammation in the brain or nervous system, something along those lines.
How does a disease occur in a vaccinated person if the vaccine works? ...you are wrong, it's the VACCINATED who are the most vulnerable to disease...it's strange that a vaccinated person would fear one who's not...maybe they fear seeing the glowing health......Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
I have explained this to you before, but apparently it did not sink in, so I will give it another go.
You cannot just look at the number of people who get a vaccine preventable infection when exposed to the organism they have been vaccinated against. You have to also look at the number who do not get infected.
Let's use mumps as an example.
First you have to know the attack rate. If you expose a group of people who have not been vaccinated to mumps virus, how many will get mumps? It appears to be about 30%.
Vaccination for mumps is about 80 to 90% effective, so let's use the average of 85%.
Let's take a group of 1000 people and vaccinate 950 of them. Of that 950, 85% will be protected by the vaccine: 808 (rounded off). The remaining 142 are susceptible.
When we expose the 142 to mumps, about 30% will catch it: about 42 people.
Of our original 1000 people, there were 50 who were not vaccinated. Expose them to mumps and 30% catch it: 15 people.
So of the 57 people who caught mumps, 42 were vaccinated. There were more sick people who had been vaccinated than unvaccinated. Yep. Absolutely. Obviously. Incontrovertibly. Without a doubt.
But, only 42 of the original group of 950 vaccinated people got sick. If you were vaccinated, your risk of getting sick was 42 out of 950 or a little over 4%.
If you did not get vaccinated, your risk of getting sick was 30%.
You were 7.5 times more likely to get sick if you did not get the vaccine.
The vaccinated are not more susceptible to the infection. The level of protection varies with the disease and the vaccine. Since vaccines are not 100% effective, those who are vaccinated do not want to be exposed to a pool of people who are likely to catch vaccine preventable illnesses, especially since the decision not to vaccinate is often made on the basis of extremely poor information from dubious sources.
If vaccines truly caused autism wouldn't we have seen a great rise in it during the 1950s-1970s when they had campaigns to end Polio (which is almost eradicated) and Smallpox (which has been eradicated)? I feel more inclined to the theory some scientists have proposed on environmental toxins being responsible for the rise in autism. Not to long ago we learned that a lot of meat is primarily made up of pink slime, some foods are genetically modified, others are pumped with hormones and who knows what other chemicals.
The problem here is money and conflict of interest. You cannot be sure of accurate reporting.
Also people used to get single shots now they load them up with mega-multis before they even have an immune system. Not the same animal. The idea behind vaccination is very crude and simply not equal to true immunity. Corporations are having laws basically protect them from liability and far too many are not given true informed consent.
Autism covers a very large area. Many different set of symptoms. People don't eat the same now or live in the same environment as they did in the 50-70s either.
I do think good information is important, but the money is just too enormous here to get unbiased information. Either way people should get to choose.
The problem here is money and conflict of interest. You cannot be sure of accurate reporting.
Also people used to get single shots now they load them up with mega-multis before they even have an immune system. Not the same animal. The idea behind vaccination is very crude and simply not equal to true immunity. Corporations are having laws basically protect them from liability and far too many are not given true informed consent.
Autism covers a very large area. Many different set of symptoms. People don't eat the same now or live in the same environment as they did in the 50-70s either.
I do think good information is important, but the money is just too enormous here to get unbiased information. Either way people should get to choose.
Funny you mention this considering there are some anti-vaccine individuals and activists which promote nutritional (Vitamin and Mineral) supplements as alternatives to vaccines (and only D3 has increasing evidence of immune system regulation thus far).
Some anti-vaccine groups know that now, so some of them blame the immune systems inflammatory response to the vaccine as the cause; that it causes inflammation in the brain or nervous system, something along those lines.
Unvaccinated kids have autism, too. There is also a significant concordance of autism in identical twins and siblings of kids with autism are at increased risk. Even half siblings are at increased risk:
If autism is a reaction to non-specific "inflammation", would not the diseases that vaccines prevent also be expected to cause autism? There is a lot more inflammation from a case of measles than from a measles vaccine.
The problem is that parents cannot get past the mind set that the vaccine preceded the autism diagnosis and therefore the vaccine must be the cause. They are desperate to find something and tend to deny the signs that were present even before vaccines were given.
Continuing to focus on vaccines just diverts time and money that would be better spent in developing programs to help autistic children function to their best potential. Looking for a scapegoat is not helpful.
Funny you mention this considering there are some anti-vaccine individuals and activists which promote nutritional (Vitamin and Mineral) supplements as alternatives to vaccines (and only D3 has increasing evidence of immune system regulation thus far).
Not sure what you meant here. I was referring to vaccines that are loaded for a variety of diseases. A child gets one shot designed for many different illnesses. Vaccines are not nutrition. They do very different things.
A vaccine is simply designed to trigger anti-bodies. This is a very small part of true immunity to anything.
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