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yes , lets ignore the fact that countless numbers of people who always worked have found themselves bankrupt through illness , everyone can be wealthy if they possess the will , like waving a magic wand
those starving kids in places like somalia , their also guilty of making the choice to be wretched
You think those that go bankrupt only go because of lack of insurance? I know many personally that go bankrupt because they are unable to work, so is your proposal that you are going to cover all their personal bills while they are sick as well? Fact is for those unable to provide insurance for themselves there have always been options, especially for children.
As for everyone being wealthy, please show me where I said that? In the united states everybody has the option to improve their lives, it is not my choice if someone chooses to work at a minimum wage job, they have options to improve their lives, and if they do not they still have medical care options available to them, which we already subsidize to a lessor extent. Last I checked their are plenty of grants and subsidized school loans, the government even subsidizes child care for those wanting to go back to school, many blue collar jobs are willing to pay well for those willing to work a **** job. The problem is that many either do not want to put in the effort, or if they have the money to pay for insurance they decide it is not a priority, they choose to drive a new car, own or rent a nicer house then they can afford, and blow off insurance knowing that through forced care, bankruptcy, and government plans they are covered if their health takes a dramatic turn for the worse.
I know you are trying to put words into my mouth, but you are looking ridiculous. I personally have worked in the insurance industry, and have a child with severe medical issues that almost forced me into bankruptcy years ago. I know both sides and am tired of reading people who think they know the answers when they have no idea the problems or what solutions exist. Hell I worked in the real estate industry when the market went bust, and people I know personally were committing suicide, being placed in mental health institutions, and/or going bankrupt left and right, and I found a way to fight through it, even going so far as working in the oil industry for 80 hours a week and traveling 300 miles to stay at a hotel all week away from my family just to pay my bills, until I could find something better. Why should I or anybody like me be forced to subsidize health care for someone who chooses to drop out of school and work at a gas station for minimum wage? Why should I have to subsidize someone who lost their job and will only take a job in a similar industry for similar pay? When did personal responsibility become something for everybody but those who choose not to deal with it? Why should I work 60 hours a week now to give my family a middle class lifestyle while these people who choose not to try to improve their lives sit on their ass and collect food stamps and receive health benefits that I help pay for? If someone is physically unable to work because of a disability or just old age, then I have no problem paying my part to help them, but those that choose not to do what it takes, then I do have a problem with them and paying their way.
As for somalia, nice try at deflection, but last I checked we were talking about people in the United States, you want to help kids in Somalia then by all means I am sure they are willing to take donations.
Thing is, unless you are stinking rich, you DONT pay for your own healthcare. You pay into a pool...like taxes, which then goes to pay for the $200,000 treatment for cancer that guy down the street gets, the one you dont like, but just happens to have the same insurance company as you because you live in the same state.
I would actually like to see all the right wingers who bleat on about the 'freedom' to pay for yourself and make your own choices, pay their own health costs in total. We would soon see a change of mind about how great a system it is here.
A guy I work with has a degree and has been working at a low paid job for over a year. He has been trying to get another job all the time he has been there, multiple applications and interviews. He cant just 'choose' to better himself. You make it sound like its a done deal if you try hard enough. Its not, and in the meantime if he needs medical aid, he becomes, one of those, according to Republicans, who 'chose' not to improve his position in life and therefore does not deserve any help with his treatment.
Excellent post; very well said.
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I dont understand such heartless, cold reasoning...but then again, I am a European.
I don't understand it either.........and I'm an American.
You subsidize many others yourself. When you pay your health insurance premium you are subsidizing others, clear and simple otherwise there would be no insurance at all.
Of course I subsidize others, but that is my choice, since when is it okay for the government to make that choice for everybody?
Thing is, unless you are stinking rich, you DONT pay for your own healthcare. You pay into a pool...like taxes, which then goes to pay for the $200,000 treatment for cancer that guy down the street gets, the one you dont like, but just happens to have the same insurance company as you because you live in the same state.
I would actually like to see all the right wingers who bleat on about the 'freedom' to pay for yourself and make your own choices, pay their own health costs in total. We would soon see a change of mind about how great a system it is here.
A guy I work with has a degree and has been working at a low paid job for over a year. He has been trying to get another job all the time he has been there, multiple applications and interviews. He cant just 'choose' to better himself. You make it sound like its a done deal if you try hard enough. Its not, and in the meantime if he needs medical aid, he becomes, one of those, according to Republicans, who 'chose' not to improve his position in life and therefore does not deserve any help with his treatment.
I dont understand such heartless, cold reasoning...but then again, I am a European.
hundreds if not thousands of good paying jobs, I am sure they are not in his career field and the requirement to travel to them for 2 weeks at a time suck, not to mention sharing a trailer with about 7 other guys really sucks, then you have the work itself out in the elements and very hard physical labor, but they pay very well including travel costs and great benefits, and they are hiring, even white collar guys who have never done physical labor in their lives.
Of course I subsidize others, but that is my choice, since when is it okay for the government to make that choice for everybody?
You also subsidize others every time you work and pay federal FICA taxes, which is Social Security and the other health insurance premium you are paying but unable to use until you become extremely ill where no for-profit insurance will cover you regardless of the fact you paid premiums for decades and or old and retired.............. Medicare.
And Mitt has promised to do away with these very kind of life-saving provisions that Obamacare insures:
Two years ago, Kevin F. Porter's daughter Erin, then 6 and living with leukemia since she was 3, "needed a bone-marrow transplant, just as Erin had nearly reached their insurance company’s lifetime cap and would no longer be covered for medical expenses. Then the family learned that a provision of the Obama health-care law had kicked in, barring lifetime caps for children. 'It lifted a huge burden off our shoulders,” her father, Kevin F. Potter, said. “We could have lost it all to pay for a transplant. Like any child’s parents we would have done it, but because of our president we didn’t have to. We could focus on Erin.” Ohio Dad’s Star Turn at Obama Rally - Washington Wire - WSJ
Aren't there facilities like St. Jude's Children's Hospital and Shreiner's Hospital for Children who would care for her for free?
Nuh-uh....sorry. America is what we make it, not what you dream it should be.
Premium healthcare is not free. Those who can afford it "EARN IT". Those who can't
"Are Entitled to Nothing". It's tough, I know. Just don't shovel that "What about the children?" crapola my direction, cause I'll fling it right back at ya!
Medicaid has been around a very long time. You think they wouldn't have paid? You want the poor to receive nothing - yet I can tell you that's not the way it has been or would be even under your Master Romney.
No one thinks that a child should be denied that kind of help - we disagree that the government should be the instruments of doing it. I can think of a handful of private charities, right off the bat , whom could help that girl.
But liberals only think government is the answer - because it allows them to control everything.
The difference between a liberal and conservative is this:
A liberal wants to help the girl with leukemia by confiscating money from people at gunpoint(think i am exagerrating? - try not paying your taxes and see who pays you a little visit - I can promise you that they will be armed).
A conservative believes that people acting out of their own free will, coming together to pool time, money, resourses, talents, and compassion - can effectively help those who are in need.
Now which is more compassionate? (a) The liberal taking money at gunpoint and redistributing it or (b) the conservative who donates, volunteers, and supports private charities that do the work such as helping a girl with leukemia in a much more effective and efficient manner without eroding liberty?
If you chose option B- congratulations you are correct.
Now go do the right thing and vote for Mitt Romney on Tuesday.
May God bless this little girl and my God bless America.
So long as it doesn't take one dime out of your pocket, eh?
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