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You're a terrible debater. I said ETHNIC CLEANSING, i did not say genocide.
Second, it is not surprising that you would avoid discussing any of the groups I mentioned:
".. include the Assyrians, Maronites, Kurds, Coptics, Bahai, Azeri, and Orthodox Christians, but there are others."
Why are all of those groups being oppressed and ethnically cleansed out of arab muslim countries?
How may civilizations have arab muslims destroyed in the mideast as they swept a path of total destruction from the arabian peninsula outward?
And sure, you want to expand the conversation to muslims, sure, let's discuss the 2 million sudanese christians slaughtered by muslims there. I'd be HAPPY to discuss that, but I've no doubt you would not.
That poster doesn't even know what the Cold War was or who the enemy of the US was in it.
You're not going to get any knowledge of history out of it.
You started to go in a good direction, and then went in a bad one.
I think that the biggest problem with all of the media, and the general "debate" over the middle east, is that nobody can bring themselves to be rational and call a square a square and a circle a circle.
Let's use Israel as an example, because it works well.
The facts are the facts... the UN mandate in 1948 gave Palestinian Arab lands to Jews. This is a fact. No real historian will dispute this. The UN was not elected by any Palestinian, nor any Jew, and yet, their lives were all changed in some way by it. The Jews went on a land-grab campaign and forced the Palestinians out of their own lands in, what is known in the "Arab world" as The Nakba. This, again, is undisputed. Even the United States government, the UN, and all of the pro-Zionist groups acknowledge that eighty percent of the Palestinian population are either refugees, or descendants of them. From 1947 to 1949, Jewish Israeli territory increased 20 fold. This, again, is not disputed.
Let's not forget that in 1922 the British Mandate Government (who was given control of the area by the League of Nations after WWI) gave Eastern Palestine to the Hashemite family which came originally from Saudi Arabia to form the Kingdom of Jordan where the Palestinian Arabs are the majority of the population but hated by the ruling family and their associates. This is a fact that no historian can dispute and yet the Palestinian Arabs have not tried to topple their Saudi rulers in any significant way. Also between 1949-1967 when Jordan controlled the West Bank area they didn't give it to the Palestinian Arabs for self-rule or to form an independent state. So this shows also the racism within the Arab Muslim world itself as the Palestinian Arab Muslims are considered second class in the Arab Muslim world.
You're right. It won't stop the violence. That's why the only feasible solution is to peacefully dismantle Israel. And many Jews want this solution, too.
Peace.
brian
There is ONLY a small minority of Jews that think and they are an ultra-orthodox extremist group that don't believe a state of Israel should exist until the Messiah comes.
Meanwhile, more Israelis are being injured from the rocket attacks.
False. The UN partition never went into effect. The British Mandate expired without an agreement, the Israelis grabbed what they wanted, and were not admitted to the UN until they agreed, in 1949, to repatriate Arab refugees, an agreement on which they promptly reneged. I get tired of having to remind you of this.
That is not true. The Jewish part of the partition went into effect and soon as the British Mandate expired the newly formed State of Israel was attacked by all the neighboring Arab countries. The result of this war was that Israel gained land and Israel was not destroyed as the Arabs thought would happen. I am tired of others trying to distort facts such as yourself.
Isn't it relevant that Iraq,Syria, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon all essentially ethnically cleansed their countries of its Jews in 1948? I'm sure Pruzhany will find the link. Wasn't there roughly a million Jews expelled from those lands in 1948?
Isn't it also true that there are more than 1 million Arabs living in Israel RIGHT NOW with full rights under the law, including the right to vote, own land, hold any job they want - including Arabs? Doesn't the Israeli Knesset (their congress) have Arabs serving on it as full members?
So to call the Jews the ethnic cleansers... I wonder what would motivate such a perversion of the facts? Is hate to think it was anything more nefarious than just misinformation.
Yes, I agree. But none of your politically correct leftist can or want to see this. Yes, Christians are being beheaded, murdered and persecuted in the middle east every day by radical Muslims. I read this in publications, see it on the internet and even hear about it (news stories) when I listen to Christian radio shows. But your P.C. left is in total denial. To them the Christians, just like Israel and Hamas launching rockets, are the offenders/antagonists and the radical Muslims are never at fault. Christians and Israeli Jews cannot be victims in their brainwashed minds.
GregW's Alternate Personality 1 - I suggest staying the hell out of the way and letting these people fight to the very end. Then go in and kill the winners. Then turn the entire place into a people free historic park dedicated to human political and religious insanity.
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