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It's sad how you can laugh and name-call when a nation mourns. It's rather sickening, actually.
Oh as if your side isn't doing the same things? Lets see, in the last few days,gun owners have been called:
Racists
Conspiracy theorists
Nuts
Crazies
Paranoid
Rednecks..... and on and on
And I think it's sickening that anti gun advocates were pushing politics and screaming gun control while the bodies were still warm, so I guess we're even/
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Originally Posted by Ford Beebe
By banning ownership of assault weapons, and prohibiting pistol ammo, it would make it a lot tougher for those intent on mass slaughter to use a gun to do it.
Did you not read my last post at all? The term "assault weapon" describes nothing but the look and feel of a gun and there is no such thibng as "pistol ammo or assault weapon ammo" I swear some of you practice the art of willful stupidity.
Ban the ammo. Collect all the guns you want, make ammo for assault rifles and pistols illegal for sale and private ownership under 10 year prison penalty. Put some teeth into the legislation.
You can have a shotgun for home defense (the best weapon for home defense), rifles for hunting, but ban private ownership of pistol and assault weapon ammunition. Licensed, inspected gun ranges can keep your stockpiled ammo and you can store shoot there. All bullets sold in this country should have a serial number to trace it through ownership and sale. Too expensive? Too bad.
Close the absurd loopholes that define an assault weapon, too.
"Well regulated militia"
If we're going to make the leap that the 2nd Amendment does not refer to a standing army and instead private citizens, "well regulated" means this country can decide which weapons are acceptable and which are not for private citizens.
a few things for you to ponder;
1: do you know what an assault weapon is? pick one, either the AR-15 or the identical looking M-16. one of them is an assault weapon, the other isnt. do you know the difference?
2: tagging the ammunition has been brought up from time to time, and has been rejected as virtually impossible to do.
3: the second amendment read in full;
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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
i have bolded the part that liberals always forget to read, and that SCOTUS has already ruled pertains to the INDIVIDUAL citizen, as well as preventing the federal AND state governments from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms. and EVERYTHING you have suggested infringes on the individual right to keep and bear arms.
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Originally Posted by Ford Beebe
Here's the problem: You cannnot play responsibily with your toys. Therefore, some of your toys will be taken away.
The opinions of THE MAJORITY is called DEMOCRACY.
It's amusing how fixated right wingnuts are with having things rammed down their throats.
this argument of your contains a MAJOR fallacy, in that this country IS NOT a democracy, but rather a constitutional representative republic, and as such our constitution sets the framework for laws in this country. until such time as you can get the constitution amended to repeal or modify the second amendment, all your gun ban fantasies will remain just that, fantasies.
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Originally Posted by Globe199
All of them.
The time has come for a radical re-thinking of guns in this country. Anything less than a wholesale disintegration of the gun culture and industry will result in the failure to protect innocent people from massacres like Friday's.
yeah, like keeping law abiding citizens from buying guns would have prevented the massacres that happen in this country. want to try for diesel fuel and fertilizer next? any other chemicals you want to ban? how about we ban dihydrogenmonoxide? it is responsible for many serious illnesses and even many deaths in this country, and it is virtually UNREGULATED.
Ohas if your side isn't doing the same things? Lets see, in the last few days,gun owners have been called:
Racists
Conspiracy theorists
Nuts
Crazies
Paranoid
Rednecks..... and on and on
And I think it's sickening that anti gun advocates were pushing politics and screaming gun control while the bodies were still warm, so I guess we're even/
Did you not read mylast post at all? The term "assault weapon" describes nothing but the look and feel of a gun and there is no such thibng as "pistol ammo or assault weapon ammo" I swear some of you practice the art of willful stupidity.
Again, how cdan you expect to be taken seriously when you can't even speak intelligently about the object of your proposals?
You cannot hold me responsible for other people's posts, and your insulting posts are pure garbage.
So you mean to tell me that ammo for a 44 Magnum is no different than what is used in a assault rifle or a shotgun? Please.
banning assault rifles would remove the issue of rifle ammo, wouldn't it?
By banning ownership of assault weapons, and prohibiting pistol ammo, it would make it a lot tougher for those intent on mass slaughter to use a gun to do it.
Sure, because banning illegal drugs has worked so well. Throughout the history of our country, we have shown that prohibiting things does not work. It didn't work with alcohol, it doesn't work with drugs, and it won't work with firearms.
Those of you who are caught up on the "assault weapons" part of this shooting need to realize that this type of weapon is seldom used in crimes. As a matter of fact, only the 2 most recent "publicized" mass shootings involved any type of what is known as an "assault weapon." Columbine and Virginia Tech were both perpetrated using firearms that would never have fallen under the sunsetted ban. In Aurora, the "assault weapon" jammed after less than 30 shots and most of the damage was done with a shotgun and a handgun, neither of which fit the category.
If people are truly serious about stopping these senseless acts of violence, they need to look at the larger picture, which is a society that affords the same rights to mentally unstable and dangerous individuals as it does to the rest of the population. We need to go back to treating mental illness, by force if necessary, rather than accepting it as a part of everyday life. It also wouldn't hurt to get rid of the idiotic laws that enable the government to charge parents with child abuse and endangerment for leaving a handprint on their child's behind when necessary. In other words, let's start actually behaving like we care about how our children are raised, rather than pretending to be parents.
People would be far more reluctant to deal on the black market with mandatory ten year prison terms waiting for them. Besides, the gun owners all declare themselves to be law-abiding...so why would they not respect and comply with any new gun control legislation? Hmmmm?
How have all those long prison terms worked for the illegal drugs. The drug problem in America is worse than ever..... doh
As far as legal law abiding citizens, they would be the only ones affected....... see how many illegal gun runners and builders would start up because of bans
There are already a huge number of links on the internet on how to build your own..... you name it..... gun or other weapon
Of course, we wouldn't want to regulate the internet or anything..... because that would be meddling with the first amnedment.....
1: do you know what an assault weapon is? pick one, either the AR-15 or the identical looking M-16. one of them is an assault weapon, the other isnt. do you know the difference?
2: tagging the ammunition has been brought up from time to time, and has been rejected as virtually impossible to do.
3: the second amendment read in full;
i have bolded the part that liberals always forget to read, and that SCOTUS has already ruled pertains to the INDIVIDUAL citizen, as well as preventing the federal AND state governments from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms. and EVERYTHING you have suggested infringes on the individual right to keep and bear arms.
this argument of your contains a MAJOR fallacy, in that this country IS NOT a democracy, but rather a constitutional representative republic, and as such our constitution sets the framework for laws in this country. until such time as you can get the constitution amended to repeal or modify the second amendment, all your gun ban fantasies will remain just that, fantasies.
yeah, like keeping law abiding citizens from buying guns would have prevented the massacres that happen in this country. want to try for diesel fuel and fertilizer next? any other chemicals you want to ban? how about we ban dihydrogenmonoxide? it is responsible for many serious illnesses and even many deaths in this country, and it is virtually UNREGULATED.
Yawn. Same warmed-over, half-baked nonsense.
I'll use the same tired argument back at you...the Constitution does not give you the right to own a tactical nuke or a rocket launcher. Your right to own a gun is NOT, underline, NOT being infringed. You can own many guns. Just not of the assault rifle variety, or with these 30-capacity magazines. or pistol ammo. Tagging ammo IS possible, but expensive, and to that argument, I say too goddamned bad.
How have all those long prison terms worked for the illegal drugs. The drug problem in America is worse than ever..... doh
As far as legal law abiding citizens, they would be the only ones affected....... see how many illegal gun runners and builders would start up because of bans
There are already a huge number of links on the internet on how to build your own..... you name it..... gun or other weapon
Of course, we wouldn't want to regulate the internet or anything..... because that would be meddling with the first amnedment.....
Again, if the gun owners are as law-abiding as they say...what's the issue?
Comparing drugs, which are physically addictive and change a personality, with gun ownership, is absurd.
People would be far more reluctant to deal on the black market with mandatory ten year prison terms waiting for them. Besides, the gun owners all declare themselves to be law-abiding...so why would they not respect and comply with any new gun control legislation? Hmmmm?
So inotherwords, you want to keep the truly law abiding harmless citizens from owning guns and create a bigger market for the criminals..... gotcha.
Ban the ammo. Collect all the guns you want, make ammo for assault rifles and pistols illegal for sale and private ownership under 10 year prison penalty. Put some teeth into the legislation.
You can have a shotgun for home defense (the best weapon for home defense), rifles for hunting, but ban private ownership of pistol and assault weapon ammunition. Licensed, inspected gun ranges can keep your stockpiled ammo and you can store shoot there. All bullets sold in this country should have a serial number to trace it through ownership and sale. Too expensive? Too bad.
Close the absurd loopholes that define an assault weapon, too.
"Well regulated militia"
If we're going to make the leap that the 2nd Amendment does not refer to a standing army and instead private citizens, "well regulated" means this country can decide which weapons are acceptable and which are not for private citizens.
Didn't you make a stupid post on this yesterday? Something like being sneaky........ We have had quite enough of sneaky coming from the left in dark deal past midnight thank you....
In that thread we told you we can make our own ammo. I know that for you whiners it's hard to believe other people can make things because you can't, but trust me we can....
And the 2nd counts ammo..... We have the Right from a higher power or the creator, and i know you whiners don't like that idea either, but it's too bad.
The 2nd is not about hunting, and by the way does not cover submarines, fighter planes, any kinds of rocket launchers, tanks and what ever else you pipe dreamer's think up either.
Fire arms are weapons that shoot bullets typical on any police type bullets and most military ball ammo, plus hunting ammo.
BTW there are other legal means to getting the said about weapons and items if you have enough money and pay the right taxes and fees. But no one has the Right to them.
Talking to to you whiners is like taking to the Scare Crow in the Wizard of Oz.
And Oh lets instead Arm teachers. Much better idea.
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