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View Poll Results: Should President Obama use all options at his disposal to preserve the full faith and credit of the
Yes, he should do everything in his power to protect our credit. 31 44.29%
No, he should allow the US to default if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling. 39 55.71%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-09-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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We are arguing with partisan retards.

In 2008 they said Bush was "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic" for spending $4 trillion in new debt over EIGHT years, and when 0bama spends SIX trillion over four years, they yawn, and demand we spend $6 trillion more. They have lost their minds, have sold their souls for politically partisan reasons, and we should view them as suffering some type of mental illness.
Wapasha, I wish they had lost their minds. I wish it was mental illness.

I have come to the conclusion that this simply is not the case. I think it is a cold and calculated move.

They are making arguments here because they think these are what they can say.

They know they cannot tell the truth. They simply WANT to spend us to the brink. Then they will blame the other side for falling off the brink. Then they will have more POWER (which is what this is really about).

Republicans have far too long been far too stupid and acted like the other side was acting in good faith. They aren’t. They are dangerous. They WANT to see mayhem. It helps those liberals in power. POWER is what they crave.


They have been in control of education and in that time we have seen America fall further and further behind

They are dangerous. Period. They are doing it on purpose. Their arguments here are of no real import as they don’t even believe the junk. Get one to be honest and they will tell you that they want the end of the capitalist system. They want a state controlled MANAGED society. They don’t mind liberty so long as it is the liberty of the mob. Liberty is squashed when it is expressed as individualist mentality.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:02 PM
 
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We have been there before on CD. I have shown countless times (anyone can use the search feature and find them) how this isn't true and you just keep repeating zombie lies
There isnt one bit of lie in there, other than you not comprehending more revenues = more revenues, not less.. You've been schooled countless times, but you continue to pretend reality is false..
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Dear Liberals, please remember context.

It took America 230 years to get 10 Trillion in debt. It has taken Obama 4 years go add 6 trillion to that number.

Not being concerned about 300 million in deficit spending is not wise (we did that during the Bush 43 years).

Being indignant when someone who was not wise is now concerned over 1.25 Trillion PER YEAR in deficit spending is suicide.

There is a supreme difference between being unwise and being suicidal!

Being unwise is no defense for the suicidal!


good grief.
It took 230 years to go from 3.9 million to 320 million in population. It took 230 years for average incomes to go from about $100 a year to ~$60,000 a year.

Next, Obama didn't create the deficits. Had McCain won in 2008, those deficits would be about the same. The economic downturn created those deficits, not anything Mr. Obama did.



I feel like a professor teaching the same material to the same students who aren't paying attention.

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Old 01-09-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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In 2008 they said Bush was "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic" for spending $4 trillion in new debt over EIGHT years
Actually Bush managed to spend as much as the nation had spent in 240 years before him. Yes, it was irresponsible considering the fact that we were riding on good economic times and there was absolutely no need reason for it. The money was spent on handouts: unfunded tax cuts, massive expansion of medicare, no-bid contracts, and corporate welware. The need for emergency spending didn't kick in until 2008, which is when the current policies were started.

What I am seeing now is GOP and WH agreeing on some significant ideas, and that should be a good start.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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There isnt one bit of lie in there, other than you not comprehending more revenues = more revenues, not less.. You've been schooled countless times, but you continue to pretend reality is false..
When you claim that revenue went up because there were tax-cuts, but the increase in revenue was really due to increases in the population and inflation, that's a lie.

You can read it here: http://www.city-data.com/forum/27225099-post62.html

This is also notable:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/27280105-post7.html
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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It took 230 years to go from 3.9 million to 320 million in population. It took 230 years for average incomes to go from about $100 a year to ~$60,000 a year.

Next, Obama didn't create the deficits. Had McCain won in 2008, those deficits would be about the same. The economic downturn created those deficits.



I feel like a professor teaching the same material to the same students who aren't paying attention.

Mr tech, you have pretty pictures but you cannot undo that it is just and excuse and we all know what those are like.


Mr. Obama has been president for 4 years. He has done NOTHING to avoid the DANGER we are faced with. John McCain is not even a blister on the hind end of a 3 toed sloth. MR OBAMA is the president sir.

and MR OBAMA is the one who has ballooned the national debt and Mr. OBAMA's policies are the reason that instead of dealing with the issue we are increasing the rate of incurring NEW DEBT.

your pretty pictures sucks rotten eggs. and doesnt tell half a truth in the process.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Ooh look - a pretty picture!
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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You can't just refuse to pay your bill after you've already spent the money.

Many of the Republicans in Congress who are threatening to not raise the limit, themselves voted for legislation which contributed heavily to the debt we have today.
That's why we have bankruptcy courts

And all those DEMS/REPUBS who voted and contributed heavily to the debt we have today,
should just leave their positions willingly - I wouldn't want them to get a pitchfork up their
Okay - I would
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There isnt one bit of lie in there, other than you not comprehending more revenues = more revenues, not less.. You've been schooled countless times, but you continue to pretend reality is false..
I give it five minutes before he posts one of his charts, that are not very truthful


edit...less than 5 minutes
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Actually Bush managed to spend as much as the nation had spent in 240 years before him. Yes, it was irresponsible considering the fact that we were riding on good economic times and there was absolutely no need reason for it. The money was spent on handouts: unfunded tax cuts, massive expansion of medicare, no-bid contracts, and corporate welware. The need for emergency spending didn't kick in until 2008, which is when the current policies were started.

What I am seeing now is GOP and WH agreeing on some significant ideas, and that should be a good start.
really now
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