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The 2nd Ammendment was included so that the general population could fight against the invading British, who was our "government" at the time. There were many things included in the constitution that were morally wrong, and have since been corrected. For instance, blacks being counted as 3/5ths of a person? Denying women the right to vote? Our Founding Fathers were not perfect men, and they, in no way shape or form, could have predicted that 230+ years later our civilian population would have access to the dangerous firearms that exist today. Automatic weapons are designed to kill other people, en masse. Why we are supplying our people with the ability to buy guns that kill each other en massee and then acting shock when it happens again and again is beyond me.
Wow. The amount of ignorance displayed in this one post is staggering!
First, the Constitution and it's Amendments were all written and ratified AFTER we beat the British and gained our independence from that monarchy. The Constitution was written to create, define and LIMIT the powers of our new government. It had nothing to do with the invading British.
Second, the three fifths compromise was used to LESSEN the power of slaveholders, and was seen as the first step toward the eventual elimination of slavery in the United States. Slave states wanted to have representation based upon their total populations, including slaves who would never have any say in choosing that representation. Opponents of slavery, knowing that would give the slave states too much power in the federal government, wanted to not allow the slave population to be counted at all for representation purposes.
Third, the US Constitution NEVER denied women the right to vote. It was silent on the issue, leaving it to the states until the 19th Amendment forced the states to grant women the right to vote.
Our founding fathers were very clear that the Second Amendment was to guarantee the people the right to be as well armed as the soldiers in any standing army we might create. They didn't allow or prohibit any specific weapons because they understood that technology would always be creating new ones.
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That completely explains why the morons in DC have banned guns from being anywhere even close to their city. If my guns weren't a concern to the government we wouldn't be having this conversation. The fact of the matter is, weapons like an AR15 with a high capacity magazine are a threat to the gov. and that's why they want them banned.
Oh yeah, they are concerned that you are going to use it against them
It is common sense for crying out loud. How many millions of people live in the DC area? I don't want morons running around with AR 15's and it has nothing to do with a threat to the morons or to the government. It's the innocent people trying to live their lives who get shot by these things.
And if you think "well regulated" doesn't apply to firearms, then citizens should be able to own whatever weaponry they want, right?
The militia is the people. Yes, it is that simple.
And yes, citizens should be able to own whatever weaponry they want. Want to know why? Again, its very simple.
In this country, this "United States", government derives all of its power from We The People. That power includes the power to own weapons of war....M1A1 Tanks, artillery, and all of the other fun stuff. Since government gets the power to own those from We The People, that means We The People already have that power since we cannot delegate a power we do not already have.
Anyone with a fact based understanding of the 2nd Amendment would understand this. Anyone who has studied FACT based history of the United States would understand this. Instead of listening to the media, the politicians, or the 9 idiots who make up SCOTUS, why not try reading the words of the men who actually founded this country? Do it in regards to all of our rights, not just the 2nd Amendment. You would be amazed how vastly different this country is today compared to the ideas put forth by the men who actually wrote the Constitution.
It isn't a case of "oh well, times change, so does the Constitution", it is a case of how this government we all currently suffer under does nothing but damage the very idea of freedom.
Oh yeah, they are concerned that you are going to use it against them
It is common sense for crying out loud. How many millions of people live in the DC area? I don't want morons running around with AR 15's and it has nothing to do with a threat to the morons or to the government. It's the innocent people trying to live their lives who get shot by these things.
I dont want morons to have the freedom to voice their idiotic opinions or practice their stupid religion.
Are you sure you really want to go down the road of limiting freedoms and violating Constitutionally protected rights simply because you disagree with someone else exercising theirs?
The militia is the people. Yes, it is that simple.
And yes, citizens should be able to own whatever weaponry they want. Want to know why? Again, its very simple.
In this country, this "United States", government derives all of its power from We The People. That power includes the power to own weapons of war....M1A1 Tanks, artillery, and all of the other fun stuff. Since government gets the power to own those from We The People, that means We The People already have that power since we cannot delegate a power we do not already have.
Anyone with a fact based understanding of the 2nd Amendment would understand this. Anyone who has studied FACT based history of the United States would understand this. Instead of listening to the media, the politicians, or the 9 idiots who make up SCOTUS, why not try reading the words of the men who actually founded this country? Do it in regards to all of our rights, not just the 2nd Amendment. You would be amazed how vastly different this country is today compared to the ideas put forth by the men who actually wrote the Constitution.
It isn't a case of "oh well, times change, so does the Constitution", it is a case of how this government we all currently suffer under does nothing but damage the very idea of freedom.
Well, this is where the lunacy of your radicalism really comes out. Where does the line end? Since the government has tanks, jet fighters, and nukes, private citizens should too? Where is the line?
The old gun nut fantasy about taking up arms against the US government never seems to go out of style. It is absurd to think that a bunch of people with small arms would last more than a few minutes against the US military. I suppose just thinking about it does give the tinfoilers something that can satisfy their fetish for violence.
After seeing the majority of gun owners at the range, it wouldn't even take a military response to defeat most of them. Just making them walk more than about a 1/4 mile would wipe them out. If they set a maximum weight limit for gun purchasers, that alone could eliminate 70% of all sales.
Guns and Hoverounds seem to share a lot of the same customer base.
It was absurd to think we'd win a nuclear war too, but that dosen't mean we should have let the Soviets have all the nukes and sworn them off ourselves.
An armed citizenry is Mutally Assured Destruction, plain and simple. As long as we're armed, we'll never see a Holocaust, Cambodia, Syria or any one of who knows how many state-sponsored mass murder even start because the losses would be unacceptable to both sides
Anyone who REALLY believes "NEVER AGAIN" should be the way of it should never sacrifice their rights to arm themselves, even if they don't like or want to own a gun.
Well, this is where the lunacy of your radicalism really comes out. Where does the line end? Since the government has tanks, jet fighters, and nukes, private citizens should too? Where is the line?
Supporting the Constitution is now deemed radical? Only by the feds and evidently you as well.
Supporting the Constitution is now deemed radical? Only by the feds and evidently you as well.
You just said citizens should have tanks and artillery. If that's not radicalism, I don't know what is. Fortunately most people are against your level of insanity and lust for violence.
Insurrection or attempted overthrow of our Government is treason.
So is the President acting like a tyrant
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