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Old 02-07-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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Nothing is stopping burger flipper from doing the same. Burger flipper needs to re-evaluate his bad life and financial decisions that led to burger flipper's inability to do the same.
That formula implies that burger flippers would not exist in an ideal society, hence :

utopia = hamburger free.

So you quite obviously have a logical problem with the argument.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That formula implies that burger flippers would not exist in an ideal society, hence :

utopia = hamburger free.
No. This particular poster has admitted to making prior bad decisions and to a lack of an effort to improve his situation. That's the problem.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:56 AM
 
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I have to awnder why people after what they see the results of wealth sharing since the mid 60's still beleieve in it. Espeacilly seeig the european example that is even longer and see what market sytem has done for other centrally contorlled economies that basically sdtarve the people.just comparing Spouth to noraqth korea shoews that socialist central control doesn't work.Now that the real tricle down economics.
Giving as much money as possible to a few rich people is a command economy. Trick down is a form of command economy.

Command economies:

socialism
fascism( trickle down)
...

Non command economies:

anarcho communism
market system
....


Really all tricky down economics is is that it prefers oligarchy over the central planing in socialist democracies(where one votes for their oligarchs) .

Incidentally, I despise them equally.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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The stock market is reaching historic highs, the rich are getting richer, and corporations are sitting on record high profits.

My question is when will the wealth start trickling down?
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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No. This particular poster has admitted to making prior bad decisions and to a lack of an effort to improve his situation. That's the problem.

Oh well in that case its not a very interesting argument, to me anyway. It should be understood that one makes the best of a bad situation. What I am interested in is in the situation not in his control. I think there are two kinds of burger flippers, one beyond help and one who was marginalized.

The unnecessary marginalization is my point of interest.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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The stock market is reaching historic highs, the rich are getting richer, and corporations are sitting on record high profits.

My question is when will the wealth start trickling down?
I'll take a shot... as soon as people believe they have a future again...

Right now, almost of third of home sales where I live are going all cash... much more are going 50% or more cash down.

Why are people putting down so much money at a time of record low interest rates... for the most part it is because they cannot get the low rates... they simply do not meet the requirements and the process doesn't work for them...

Already seeing a few co-workers regret having walked away from their homes a few years ago... they bought homes they could afford and decided to bail because the market went down and they could rent much less expensive than owning...

So, people that stayed the course are starting to see the light and those that bailed and took a hit to their credit are finding it just might not have been overall the best for them to do...

Sometimes you can be your own worst enemy...
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:21 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Liberals don't believe in trickle down economics. They believe in trickle up poverty.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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Simply because supply side works.

It has for generations....before government got involved.

Wake up people....the government does not have your best interest at heart.

Please read the constitution and the founders papers on original intent.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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But we've already agreed that in your ideal world, a burger flipper must pay MORE in order to live than a licensed professional needs to pay in order to live.

You've already said you're unwilling to allow a willing seller to sell said burger flipper a tiny property he can afford to buy, which means he cannot escape paying the extra $125 rental property tax you claim isn't all that much. He must also pay a landlord profit margin on top of all the landlord costs he must bear in order to keep his landlord happy.

So you have already imposed a substantial burden on the burger flipper, and you have the unmitigated gall to say he needs to downsize/downgrade his living arrangements if he is living beyond the means YOU have inflated?

Under your fair flat tax, the burger flipper pays $125 (extra property tax) PLUS a flat income tax. WhyTF should he pay MORE tax than a higher income homeowner?

Why are you not seeing the class warfare YOU are waging?
Maybe because people who are employed as "burger flippers" are working in entry level positions, and these are not permanent careers, that place the person into a "class" system for the rest of their lives.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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The licensed professional has the same living options as a burger flipper, i.e. can choose to have the same non-housing consumption as the burger flipper.

The licensed professional's ability to own his home affords him the ability to enjoy the same consumption as the burger flipper AT A LOWER COST. (Of course, he also has the option of spending the same amount on living expenses as the burger flipper, and enjoying greater consumption than the burger flipper.)

Before you laugh, I personally know a retired architect who owns his home free and clear and enjoys rental income by renting out his spare bedrooms. I have also known several others who bought homes and lived in them for free by renting out spare bedrooms and collecting rental income.

Why do you want to gouge burger flippers?
...plus, the licensed professional was probably flipping burgers in high school and college, as he/she worked various entry level, no-skill jobs to pay their way toward getting their license.
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