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View Poll Results: Are you willing to give up some constitutional rights to feel safe?
I would rather not have any security checks at airports and take my chances on the flight. 64 68.09%
I would be willing to submit to a search without probable cause so that my fight will be safer. 30 31.91%
Voters: 94. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-21-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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Wrong. The fourth amendment also refers to search of the "person" without probable cause.
again that only refers to law enforcement stopping you on the street and searching you for no reason. there is a reason for a search at the airport and that is one of security. but again it doesnt apply because flying is a privilege and NOT a right. as such there are rules you have to follow and one of those rules is you get patted down before you get on the airplane.

also the only way the TSA would violate the fourth amendment is if they seized something that is not on the contraband list. for instance that cant take your medications and the instruments you use to take those meds. example i am an insulin dependent diabetic, thus i can take my insulin vials along with the syringes in need to take the insulin along with me in my carry on luggage.

on the other hand i cannot take a survival knife with me in my carry on luggage, and thus they would be right to seize the knife.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Again, the constitutionality is not the issue. A law would have to be created to make the checks mandatory, and only Congress can create laws.

What law allowed for searches at airports during the case you cited?
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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again that only refers to law enforcement stopping you on the street and searching you for no reason. there is a reason for a search at the airport and that is one of security. but again it doesnt apply because flying is a privilege and NOT a right. as such there are rules you have to follow and one of those rules is you get patted down before you get on the airplane.
Most activities of daily living are a privilege, not a right. Does that mean they also have a right to search my car just because driving it is a privilege and not a right?
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What law allowed for searches at airports during the case you cited?
49 U.S.C. § 44902 : US Code - Section 44902
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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Most activities of daily living are a privilege, not a right. Does that mean they also have a right to search my car just because driving it is a privilege and not a right?
that depends, did you stop at a check point and give the leos reason to search? did the officer ask if they could search your vehicle and you let them? did they have probable cause to search your vehicle? when you buy an airline ticket, you give them probable cause to search you according to the rules set down. remember you are getting on a PRIVATELY OWNED aircraft, from a government run airport. if you want to fly without being searched, hire an air taxi instead, then you dont have to be searched.

p.s. its a bit scary when finn and i agree on things.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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If you don't want to get searched don't go to the airport.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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49 U.S.C. § 44902 : US Code - Section 44902

This law did not take affect until January of 2012.

49 U.S.C. 44902 - Refusal to transport passengers and property

How long have we been searched at airports?
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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If you don't want to get searched don't go to the airport.
And if you don't want an universal background check, don't buy a gun.
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Old 04-21-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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And if you don't want an universal background check, don't buy a gun.
Why has no state implemented a universal background check system?
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Old 04-21-2013, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This law did not take affect until January of 2012.

49 U.S.C. 44902 - Refusal to transport passengers and property

How long have we been searched at airports?
We have been searched ever since the courts ruled there is no Constitutional issues with it.
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