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View Poll Results: Are you willing to give up some constitutional rights to feel safe?
I would rather not have any security checks at airports and take my chances on the flight. 64 68.09%
I would be willing to submit to a search without probable cause so that my fight will be safer. 30 31.91%
Voters: 94. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-21-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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..... the Ninth Circuit ruled in United States. v. Aukai that "airport screening searches, like the one at issue here, are constitutionally reasonable administrative searches because they are conducted as part of a general regulatory scheme in furtherance of an administrative purpose, namely, to prevent the carrying of weapons or explosives aboard aircraft, and thereby to prevent hijackings."[81]
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GO argue with the Supreme Court about it. And when you win, and the plane you or someone else is in gets blown up or hijacked, because, hey, I didn't like that they checked people for stuff. At least you'll have that?

Anyone here remember D.B. Cooper? He's the guy who carried a bomb on a plane and hijacked it. Back then, security was a nod and a wave.

Absolutely! And the court could also rule that it is constitutionally reasonable to conduct universal background checks on anyone purchasing a gun, and thereby to prevent needless killings.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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For all I know that's the Tsarnaev house and the police are serving a search warrant.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:03 PM
 
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No problem. I used that example for the poll because for years, airport body & bag searches as a constitutional right have been willingly given up for safety.

Yet, I am amazed that an argument against universal background checks for a gun purchase is voted against because it would be an infringement of our constitutional rights and a "slippery slope" thereon.
I'm against both the universal background check and the TSA screening. I'm not, however, against background checks for private party purchases. I can't think of a way to implement it that will work though. It should be a state issue. Why has no state implemented a private party background check system?

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Anyone here remember D.B. Cooper? He's the guy who carried a bomb on a plane and hijacked it. Back then, security was a nod and a wave.
Back then was 1971. Prior to 9/11 the last one was in 1983.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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Absolutely! And the court could also rule that it is constitutionally reasonable to conduct universal background checks on anyone purchasing a gun, and thereby to prevent needless killings.
Universal background checks did not fail because of a conflict with the Constitution, it fell because the Senate did not elect to debate it.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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Absolutely! And the court could also rule that it is constitutionally reasonable to conduct universal background checks on anyone purchasing a gun, and thereby to prevent needless killings.
The court has already ruled that every individual has the right to own a gun and reasonable measures are not unconstitutional.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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I'm against both the universal background check and the TSA screening. I'm not, however, against background checks for private party purchases. I can't think of a way to implement it that will work though. It should be a state issue. Why has no state implemented a private party background check system?
They could implement it by requiring private party transactions to be perfomed at a dealer who performs the check.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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Universal background checks did not fail because of a conflict with the Constitution, it fell because the Senate did not elect to debate it.
We don't need the dysfunctional congress anymore. We will have the court decide that universal background checks and closing the loopholes are constitutional just as airport screenings are.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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They could implement it by requiring private party transactions to be perfomed at a dealer who performs the check.
Then why has no state done so?
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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We don't need the dysfunctional congress anymore. We will have the court decide that universal background checks and closing the loopholes are constitutional just as airport screenings are.
The court doesn't make the law though. That authority belongs to Congress and the state legislatures.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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We don't need the dysfunctional congress anymore. We will have the court decide that universal background checks and closing the loopholes are constitutional just as airport screenings are.
Again, the constitutionality is not the issue. A law would have to be created to make the checks mandatory, and only Congress can create laws.
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