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It makes more sense ( to those not cowed by fear) to have no (or just basic) searches be the default with individual airlines offering, at their disgression, " secured" flights at an extra cost.
The airlines could then make the decision which or how many flights they offered based on good old supply & demand.
I never said, nor do I believe that rights are conditional.
Yes, yes you do and did. I give up. You clearly think Americans no longer have this "right" to not be searched upon reentry to the country. That is a condition.
No problem. I used that example for the poll because for years, airport body & bag searches as a constitutional right have been willingly given up for safety.
Yet, I am amazed that an argument against universal background checks for a gun purchase is voted against because it would be an infringement of our constitutional rights and a "slippery slope" thereon.
I do not care about background checks for firearms. It's fine with me.
You have no 'right' to fly either. Or drive for that matter.
Yes, yes you do and did. I give up. You clearly think Americans no longer have this "right" to not be searched upon reentry to the country. That is a condition.
No, the condition is that I do not believe everyone everyone has the right to come to America. Only Americans and those with valid visas have the right to be here. You have the absolute right to not be searched without cause, but you also have the absolute right to know everyone is here legally.
Get rid of the welfare state and I would not care about borders security. Get rid of birthright citizenship and I would not be as concerned about border security. Impose very stiff penalties for employers that hire illegals and I would not be concerned about border security. Impose stiff penalties for criminal gang members and I would not be concerned about border security.
Am I willing to sacrifice freedom for safety? I'm not willing today, I was never willing in the past, and I will never be willing in the future. Committing crimes against the people in the name of preventing crime at best only substitutes one gang of criminals for another, and at worst adds a far more dangerous gang of criminals to the pre-existing set.
A particularly stark example of this is found in the form of the TSA - the TSA replaces the 0.000005% chance of being killed by a terrorist with a 100% chance of sexual assault. Even more tragic is the well-documented fact that the TSA doesn't even prevent terrorism, so the 100% chance of being molested is added on top of the 0.000005% chance of being killed by a terrorist.
So here's an idea - if you still want to be groped at the airport, book your flight with an airline that searches, prods, frowns, and gropes its passengers, secure in the knowledge that you have a 100% chance of being violated, be it from an agent or a terrorist. Meanwhile, those of us who don't want to be groped can board our flights secure in the knowledge that we have a 99.999995% chance of not being violated by anyone, be it an agent or a terrorist. A case can easily be made that the abuses of the government in the name of homeland security are another variety of terrorism.
As for the border searches, I believe those should be abolished as well, but I would also submit that there is a significant difference between conducting searches at an international border and conducting far more intrusive searches in places like Kansas City which aren't even anywhere near a border, let alone on one. Conducting searches without cause at the border was a mistake to begin with, but letting those searches creep throughout the entire country is a far bigger mistake.
I agree with the post below. Even if flying sans TSA is so risky (which it isn't), why not let people take that risk if they choose to? It's their neck, after all.
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Originally Posted by old_cold
It makes more sense ( to those not cowed by fear) to have no (or just basic) searches be the default with individual airlines offering, at their disgression, " secured" flights at an extra cost.
The airlines could then make the decision which or how many flights they offered based on good old supply & demand.
And if that was combined with locked cockpits and an advertised "no ransom" policy, poor Obama would see his unemployment numbers rise a lot, what with all the 'groupers' that would be out of a job.
Of course, with the exceptional skills and intelligence many of them have exhibited, I'm sure they could find employment elsewhere immediately
Are you saying that you can skip the search process if you have a pilot license?
If you fly a lot, AV Gas and a plane(small plane) payment is cheaper than a ticket on a national airline.
Overseas you are going to have to rent a Lear Jet.
No, you do not have to pass any search deal. You drive to your hanger. Park your car/truck. File a flight plan. Do a ground check. Fire it up and let the engine warm. Check all gauges and flaps again. Radio to the flight tower you are ready to get in line.
We're eventually going to have to give up many freedoms due to the many idiots committing all of these mass shootings. Guns will have to be confiscated.
And yes, we should all be willing to be searched by TSA or any other governmental agency because of the obsession Americans have with guns and violence.
We should do whatever we can to secure our citizenry....
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