How Has the Democratic Party Benefitted Blacks in the Last 40 Years? (Kerry, Obama)

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by claudhopper

They offer you equality, as I said. Republicans won't treat you like you are less than, and can't make it on your own, because we know you are just as capable as anybody else. The problem is that the democrats have convinced you that they are working on your behalf, when the truth is, they keep you needy and subjugated. You are their pets with special needs.

Sorry Claude but every time conservative Republicans open their months they make a convincing arguent that African Americans should stay as far away from the Republican Party as humanly possible. If the Republican Party believes that running up behind buffoons like Allen Keyes, Alan West, Herman Caine, and the latest idiot E.W. Jackson is going to convince African Americans that there is any value in the Republican Party while excoriating conservative African Americans like Colin Powell who is admired in the black community despite our political differences you are sadly mistaken. Perhaps if you had listen to James Steele, another African American kicked off the plantation, not by black folks or Democrats I hasten to add but by Republicans you wouldn't be rabidly searching for answers that can be answered by the simple purchase of a hand mirror.

[ATTC]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

On second thought...

The three policies specific to African Americans that turned African Americans away from the Republican Party were;

1. The Roosevelt Administrations establishment of the Fair Employment Practices Committee which opened war time employment for African Americans which established the basis for generations of middle class African Americans.

2. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 introduced by Lyndon Baines Johnson (and please spare me a recantation of how Southern Democrats voted. I have on numerous occasions dissected that vote and based upon region Republicans were either in the minority whether it was by percentage of in the case, actual vote).

3. Every Democratic Administration since the Johnson administration has stood foursquare in opposition of Republican efforts to either undo or weaken these policies as to make then totally ineffective.

Those are not feelings, they are not welfare, they are simple facts.

All I asked was some type of ATTEMPT to defend the Democratic party and finally one is given after most people have spent the majority of their posts in this thread beating around the bush and coming up with excuses for why they won't even attempt to form an argument

So let's address the points you have made. Again the question is the last 40 years. So the only premise that would remotely apply would be your 3rd point. That somehow Republicans have been conspiring to undermine these effective policies. Can you cite any examples?

Because I can cite numerous examples of proposed policy that has undermined the black family that's been advocated by well meaning Democrats.

[ATTC]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Lets talk about free GED classes. An African American with a high school diploma is twice as likely to have a job than one that doesnt, and the African American drop out rate is 1.5X that of the rest of the nation at large.

Yeah let's talk about the black graduation rate which is now as abysmal as only 52% in an age where 2/3 of new jobs require post-secondary education. How's that working out? And we're talking about a drop out rate that is directly linked again to the single parent rate, which is linked to devastating policies proposed by well meaning Democrats.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Lets talk about free GED classes.
How about healthcare, African Americans being more likely to work in low wage and multiple part time jobs, meaning they may work 40 hours+ a week, but dont qualify for benefits at either job. offering discounted healthcare with the exchanges reduces cost for those families,freeing up capital that can be better used somewhere else like maybe a college fund for their kids.

Yeah let's talk about healthcare where now families will have to shell out as much as $695 a year for each member of the family up to 3 family members for penalty if they don't purchase a for-profit private insurance.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

How about SBA,DoEd and DoAg loans and grants that help black owned businesses and African american communities. They pay for community centers, parks, tutoring programs,community gardens, bulldozing abandoned and damaged homes/buildings and foster all kinds of community development projects.

Let's talk about the Department of Education which has dumbed down our schools and has students disengaged and disinterested which is another contributing factor to the graduation dropout rate. Let's talk about the scam of the ease in which student loans are given that skyrockets the tuition rates and student debt rate, yet a far greater reluctance to actually give out loans to start businesses. Let's talk about the CPS taking people's kids in cases where clearly such an agency is not designed to do, putting kids on psychotropic drugs and even incentive based programs for schools and families to put kids on those mind altering drugs. Let's talk about all the sexual abuse, depression, etc from those kids taken from decent families.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

i tried to find 2 states with similar populations that have different political views with party trifectas to make this argument.

Minnisota has 5.3 million people and the D's control the governor and the Legislature, Alabama has 4.8 million people and the R's control everything(governor, house, cabinet, school board,).

292,862 people in Minnesota are on food stamps (5.52%).In Alabama, 613,737(12.78%). This is despite the states past and current push to kick people off of food stamp rolls.

We're talking about the dependency bubble hurting blacks and there are a disproportionate amount of blacks on food stamps and the rate of requirements continued to be lowered to get more and more people regardless of color on the government payroll..

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Democrats do not advocate for abortions, I realize you think that legal abort being an option and advocating someone to have one are the same thing but they arent.

On the surface they say they want it safe, legal, and rare. But with their actions they show they are only concerned with legal. Obama even voted against legislation that would put restrictions against partial birth abortion.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

I dont even get what you mean about blaxploitation, are you claiming there are no conservatives in Hollywood, are you saying that everyone should agree with your definition of blaxploitation, idk.

If you don't get it then you must be totally oblivious to the content that's on television. On one hand doing everything it can to mock the idea of a traditional family, while glorifying casual sex and broken homes

[eRayP]

The Republican Party has not been designed to reach out to a group on the basis of identity, but on the basis of a given group’s ideas and values. By the party’s very definition — its basic principles — this precludes reaching out to groups which have race, ethnicity, and/or gender as their sole criterion for coalescing as a political entity.

Many black Americans cannot shake the notion that a political party is supposed to provide quid pro quo. That the Republican Party will get out of their way so they can pursue happiness just isn’t good enough.

After the Republicans clamped down on the racists, they (mostly) removed themselves from the equation to allow the country’s black citizens to be free. But when they did that, the nemeses (democrats) fell in, masquerading as friends.

If black Americans are happy with how they have progressed then there is not much that can be done.

[Hadoken]

Originally Posted by eRayP

The Republican Party has not been designed to reach out to a group on the basis of identity, but on the basis of a given group’s ideas and values. By the party’s very definition — its basic principles — this precludes reaching out to groups which have race, ethnicity, and/or gender as their sole criterion for coalescing as a political entity.

You can say that as much as you want, but we all saw Donald Trump become a GOP frontrunner for president by simply spewing every racist trope in the book at Obama. And then we had Newt Gingrich stating that black people are satisfied with food Samos, and have no work ethic and then Santorum started talking about giving other people's money to Blah people. And we had Bachmann proclaiming that black families were stronger back when they were routinely broken up at the whim of white people. And then we had the big name conservative on the Supreme Court referring to laws that ended mass discrimination against black people in the voting booth as a "racial entitlement" - despite numerous state republican officials effectively proclaiming that they were changing voting laws and times in order to inconvenience black voters.

This is not to state that liberals are universally good when it comes to civil rights - Michael Bloomberg's appalling defense of police harassment is a clear counter example. And I will say that McCain was pretty clear that he wished to avoid the racist nonsense. But really, over the past four years, the GOP basically told black voters to kick rocks wearing open-toed shoes. The GOP is very much a party that centers on white resentment and racial grievance.

Many black Americans cannot shake the notion that a political party is supposed to provide quid pro quo. That the Republican Party will get out of their way so they can pursue happiness just isn’t good enough.

That's mostly because any black person with a sense of history is fully aware of the massive government assistance that allowed the average white person to enter a middle class existence - assistance that was, and sometimes still is, routinely denied to black people even though they also pay for them. "Well, we got out of the way, now you can be like us!" Is the most ridiculous response you could have. Governments, at every level, had a direct role in creating many of the problems now facing black communities, and so they should also have a direct role in fixing them.

[ATTC]

Originally Posted by Hadoken

Governments, at every level, had a direct role in creating many of the problems now facing black communities, and so they should also have a direct role in fixing them.

Which goes back to the topic at hand, what have Democrats done in the last 40 years to tangibly benefit blacks overall?

It's not that difficult to come up with a list of how they have set blacks back economically and psychologically

So what have they done that's positive?

The problem is the emotionalism. Even if there was a contingent of Republicans who hated black people, if their actual policies made blacks slightly better off then Republicans would be truly the lesser of two evils

But because of emotionalism, most blacks won't admit this to themselves or even consider it


The reality is that there could even be overtly racist people in the Republican party, but that's not as bad as Planned Parenthood, and the joke of what's called black entertainment as far as destroying the black family physically and psychologically

[12GO]

Before I would post, I asked a Black buddy of mine. His answer? NOT A D^*N THING. !!! And yes, thats the short polite version of his answer. The rest of his answer would embarrass sailors.

[eRayP]

Originally Posted by 12GO

Before I would post, I asked a Black buddy of mine. His answer? NOT A D^*N THING. !!! And yes, thats the short polite version of his answer. The rest of his answer would embarrass sailors.

If Republicans campaign among white voters, Democrats will caricature them as racists. If Republicans campaign among black voters Democrats immediately accused them of pandering and double down and stoke the race card even harder.

Democrats treatment of blacks remains pitiful... A rise of black unemployment, an increase in poverty among blacks and a fall in income. Obama’s defunding of the Washington, D.C., school-voucher program is yet another example. In April 2011, Boehner forced Obama’s hand during heated budget negotiations, securing the restoration and expansion of the D.C. OSP. Once again, children would have the opportunity apply for scholarships to attend a private school of their choice, providing them a lifeline out of the underperforming and often dangerous D.C. Public Schools.

In 2013 the Obama administration once again stood with education special interest groups and against low-income children in Washington D.C. Obama''s 2013 budget zeros out funding for the highly successful D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program which was revived thanks to the hard work of John Boehner.

Obama's 2013 budget eliminates funding for D.C. scholarship program

How Has the Democratic Party Benefitted Blacks in the Last 40 Years?

[eRayP]

Originally Posted by Hadoken

That's mostly because any black person with a sense of history is fully aware of the massive government assistance that allowed the average white person to enter a middle class existence - assistance that was, and sometimes still is, routinely denied to black people even though they also pay for them. "Well, we got out of the way, now you can be like us!" Is the most ridiculous response you could have. Governments, at every level, had a direct role in creating many of the problems now facing black communities, and so they should also have a direct role in fixing them.

Can you give examples? Maybe it is the attitude that makes the difference.

[Hadoken]

Originally Posted by eRayP

Can you give examples? Maybe it is the attitude that makes the difference.

Examples include the GI bill, which allowed white GIs to attend college, FHA loans which openly discriminated against black people, and federally-funded highways which were created by demolishing and confiscating land from countless successful black communities.