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Old 07-01-2013, 07:26 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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^^^^^ This is called reason.
No, that's called making up rules to fit yourself. Reason would be to point out what law or rule the kid broke to end up in the office to begin with.

I'll wait...tapping foot....
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Where did I say he violated a law? Hmmmmm. Do you have to decide all sides based upon fantasy? You believe what the child says and then you believe what you want me to have said?

There is no respect to be gained here just like I don't seek it from bithers. This is the same mentality. You believe what you want not based on facts. Respect from someone that says I insisted he violated something is not real.

That said, the boy is the only one that has stated facts for the most part and what he said was an admittance to what he was charged with. What he was charged with is what the court found probable cause on.

All all of those facts add up to the child supporters as tantamount to a huge government conspiracy and deprivation of rights.

I guess for those worshiping this child, there are no violations of the law as long as you are running your mouth at the same time. God help us if this message gets out to the next generation.
He didn't admit to breaking any law. Try again.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why should he have turned it any particular way? It didn't violate any dress code nor law. Maybe it offended the teacher, so? They're there to teach (many forget that) not to instill their belief system into the kids.

So please enlighten the rest of us why he shouldn't have said "no"?
Yes teachers are there to teach and students are there to learn, not to distract. NRA T-shirts don't belong in school anymore than Planned Parent Hood as it is political. There are people on both sides of these issues and they do not belong in the class room. It would have gone a long way towards resolution if the step father supported the teacher rather than reinforcing misbehavior by a 14 year old.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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Why should he have turned it any particular way? It didn't violate any dress code nor law. Maybe it offended the teacher, so? They're there to teach (many forget that) not to instill their belief system into the kids.

So please enlighten the rest of us why he shouldn't have said "no"?
The same reason you don't not stop when you're not speeding when the police flash their blue lights
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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No, that's called making up rules to fit yourself. Reason would be to point out what law or rule the kid broke to end up in the office to begin with.

I'll wait...tapping foot....
OK, noted that you believe middle school teachers should refuse to follow orders of teachers because the teacher might be wrong.

But that's irrelevant just like it has been since the lying subject line of this thread started.

You are also on record in stating that it is OK for young Jared to violate any rule or law because a teacher might be wrong.

Being called to the office has nothing to do with the charges.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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He didn't admit to breaking any law. Try again.
According to your moon beam mind reading.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:43 PM
 
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Yes teachers are there to teach and students are there to learn, not to distract. NRA T-shirts don't belong in school anymore than Planned Parent Hood as it is political. There are people on both sides of these issues and they do not belong in the class room. It would have gone a long way towards resolution if the step father supported the teacher rather than reinforcing misbehavior by a 14 year old.
The shirt has nothing to do with this accept that is why he has rabid fanbase. The only adults influenced this strongly by a child disobeying a police officer are those that worship

The t-shirt was not against the school's dresscode as Jared and several other children wore the same or similar shirts two days later.

The t-shirt is irrelevant because Jared made it so.

If the boy would have behaved this is how the thread would have went:

1) Teacher tells boy to remove t-shirt.

2) Boy refuses.

3) Teacher marches boy to office.

4) Office tells teacher the t-shirt wasn't against dress code.

5) Parents (well doubtful both) file multi-million dollar lawsuit for malicious violations of child's second amendment right to wear a gun t-shirt.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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OK, noted that you believe middle school teachers should refuse to follow orders of teachers because the teacher might be wrong.

But that's irrelevant just like it has been since the lying subject line of this thread started.

You are also on record in stating that it is OK for young Jared to violate any rule or law because a teacher might be wrong.

Being called to the office has nothing to do with the charges.
Still waiting for a coherent on point answer to the question asked.
*still tapping foot but it's getting tired out*
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:18 AM
 
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Please tell me this constitutional scholar is doing community service for wasting peoples time and disrupting the school he attended. It would be great if one of these parents would actually own up to the mistakes of their child and take responsibility, too much disregard for authority and a teaching moment lost.
"disrupting the school he attended". The student DIDN'T disrupt, the TEACHER did by demanding the kid do something that was NOT REQUIRED of him.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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This seems to be the rule of the day now. Make a mistake, realize it then do everything possible to shut people up and stop it from being revealed by any means possible both legal and illegal.
Of course they could do what people who possess morals and honor do, admit the mistake, apologize, make it right and move on.
No, they'd rather risk scandal,lawsuit and disgust than take the high road.
"admit the mistake, apologize, make it right and move on."

Considering it was the teacher who started this whole mess I would think what you want done SHOULD be done by the TEACHER in front of a school assembly.
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