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Old 06-22-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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If cooler heads had prevailed in the 18th Century (i.e. William Pitt had gotton a proposed Act of Parliament passed in 1766 to give the 13 colonies plus Canada seats in Parliament) we might all live in a single British North America with only Provincial boundaries and our Jack and Stripes. Wouldn't it have been marvelous to see Ben Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison John Adams or Alexander Hamilton as MPs in the Mother of All Parliaments.
Well there would have been that little detail of slave ownership to gloss over but I'm sure a work-around would have been found. Where would the lines have been drawn do you think when it came to the civil war, which was anything but civil.
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Old 06-22-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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Well there would have been that little detail of slave ownership to gloss over but I'm sure a work-around would have been found. Where would the lines have been drawn do you think when it came to the civil war, which was anything but civil.
Interesting, slavery was banned in Britain around 1776 so one has to ask what the colonials were fighting for, independence or independence and the right to keep salves which most of the so called founders did.
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Old 06-22-2013, 05:20 PM
 
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You need a Canadian health card to get universal (it's not free) Canadian healthcare. If you came from the States you would have to pay cash.
Wait a minute, you're Canadian?
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:20 AM
 
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Interesting, slavery was banned in Britain around 1776 so one has to ask what the colonials were fighting for, independence or independence and the right to keep salves which most of the so called founders did.
England banned the slave trade (or the participation thereof) in 1807 and banned it in the English empire in 1833.
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:23 AM
 
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Interesting, slavery was banned in Britain around 1776 so one has to ask what the colonials were fighting for, independence or independence and the right to keep salves which most of the so called founders did.
how are they "so called" founders?
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:25 AM
 
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Isn't it time to repeal the U.S. and Canadian border yet? We share the longest and most peaceful border in the world.
It's time to also be able to move and work freely between those two nations without any need to obtain citizenship and green card just like EU nations.

Canada should be like a US State, and USA should be like a Canadian province, yet still different nations.
Are you also going to advocate all the people in this new conglomeration must be bi lingual? as you've recently said all Canadians should speak French.
And does this new open border country get the American or Canadian form of healthcare?

I think its better to keep things as they are ,however we could give it a try starting with Quebec.

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Old 06-23-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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Are you also going to advocate all the people in this new conglomeration must be bi lingual? as you've recently said all Canadians should speak French.
And does this new open border country get the American or Canadian form of healthcare?

I think its better to keep things as they are ,however we could give it a try starting with Quebec.
Oooh; that one'll leave a scar!
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Well there would have been that little detail of slave ownership to gloss over but I'm sure a work-around would have been found. Where would the lines have been drawn do you think when it came to the civil war, which was anything but civil.

Britain moved to end slavery far earlier than Americans. In 1772 a case brought before the Law Lords found that slavery was unenforceable in the British Isles and effectively ended it in Britain. In 1807 the growing Abolishist Movement in Britain got an Act of Parliament passed in 1807 banning any Britain from participating in the Slave Trade and prohibiting any British flagged ship from carrying slaves. Britain established a Royal Navy floatila to enforce the Act. When the Royal Navy moved to stop American flagged ships from carrying slaves to the West Indies, this and British efforts to enforce a blockade of Napoleons Europe and impress American sailors for service on British ships led to the War of 1812. Abolition came to the British Empire in 1833 when Slavery was banned in all teritories not under control of the British East India Company by an Act of Parliment. The urgency of the 1833 Act was due to a 1831 slave revolt in Jamaica. In 1847 the Act was Ammended to include the territories under the British East India Company. The end of slavery in places like the West Indies which had a larger population of blacks than whites didn't lead to the end of plantation society and the British planters just established share cropping or treated black field hands as low paid workers. In the sucessive years after Abolitrion they were just as prosperous as before.
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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Excuse America for taking the time to remove the Brits from our country before tackling the slavery issue 60 years later. Removing the yoke of the Bristish empire would seem to have been the priority at the time



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Britain moved to end slavery far earlier than Americans. In 1772 a case brought before the Law Lords found that slavery was unenforceable in the British Isles and effectively ended it in Britain. In 1807 the growing Abolishist Movement in Britain got an Act of Parliament passed in 1807 banning any Britain from participating in the Slave Trade and prohibiting any British flagged ship from carrying slaves. Britain established a Royal Navy floatila to enforce the Act. When the Royal Navy moved to stop American flagged ships from carrying slaves to the West Indies, this and British efforts to enforce a blockade of Napoleons Europe and impress American sailors for service on British ships led to the War of 1812. Abolition came to the British Empire in 1833 when Slavery was banned in all teritories not under control of the British East India Company by an Act of Parliment. The urgency of the 1833 Act was due to a 1831 slave revolt in Jamaica. In 1847 the Act was Ammended to include the territories under the British East India Company. The end of slavery in places like the West Indies which had a larger population of blacks than whites didn't lead to the end of plantation society and the British planters just established share cropping or treated black field hands as low paid workers. In the sucessive years after Abolitrion they were just as prosperous as before.
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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Excuse America for taking the time to remove the Brits from our country before
tackling the slavery issue 60 years later. Removing the yoke of the Bristish
empire would seem to have been the priority at the time
It took 60 years?
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