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Old 07-07-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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You can anecdotally say many of your clients have moved overseas, but the overall picture still remains the vast majority of rich STILL decide to live here, and don't look like they are moving anytime soon. Provide me hard data that the rich are fleeing in droves, so much that the US is starting to crumble because people who hardly pay any taxes to begin with are pouring out of our borders. I'll wait. Anecdotes mean nothing, and that is what you are basing this part of your post on.
"Anecdotally"? Here's some nice facts for you:

Infographic: Americans moved out of New York City and into D.C. in 2012 - Skift - Skift
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagou...eeing-in-2013/

Statistics have consistently shown that more people have moved OUT of NY state than any other in the country. People WILL move when their economic interests are at stake. Notice how the states people are leaving are all liberal, leftwing, high tax states for the most part.

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They are only broke because they are aging in population. France was doing fine until 2008, when derivatives caused the world's finances to explode, not pension plans.
It WAS derivatives and other schemes - which the Left railed against for years - that was allowing places like France, CA, IL and elsewhere to APPEAR as if they were fully funded, by using fancy tools and unsustainable rates of return to paper over the fact that the plans had major shortfalls. If these derivatives were not used, the plans would have had to use more realistic rates of return, which would have shown massive shortfalls, and the need to raise taxes massively to pay for them.

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That's because you have the US right at your doorstep that makes immigration much easier if you are an educated professional like a doctor, to move here. If the US had a healthcare system similar to Canada's, the problem would not exist, it would be like Europe where there is nowhere to move to for substantially higher salaries unless you move to the US. Canada has 30 million people, by the way.
You are not making sense. If a person cannot go to a place in a profession where they will feel rewarded - like for 11 years of college, medical school and a residency - they will not enter the profession, period. And Europeans can easily move to another country for a better opportunity, its called an EU passport.

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And like I said before, federal financial transaction tax will prevent Wall St. from moving to NJ. I'm aware that they have threatened to move to NJ if New York started to actually keep the money they tax, which is why we need a federal transaction tax.
I will repeat myself, the banks can easily transfer their trading operations OVERSEAS, to another country, in about ten minutes, which would mean all trades were outside the bounds of the US.

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So? Like you said, NYC already declared bankruptcy before, so they were insolvent before. I still don't see the city emptying out and moving to more "fiscally responsible" cities in the neo-Confederacy. Which proves one thing, the whole media narrative of public debt is vastly overstated and not as big a deal as it is made out to be.
As I showed above, more people have moved OUT of NYS than in over the past 10-15 years than any other state in the country.

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Just imagine what tens of millions of Baby Boomers will do yes hospitals have closed down, but most of the nation's hospitals are still open.
Baby boomers HAVE insurance, its called medicare, so the hospitals will get paid. With illegals who have no health insurance, they won't get paid. Not too hard to understand, really.

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You still won't be able to deport every single illegal alien unless you drop the conservative ideology is kissing the "job creators" in the behind and institute draconian financial measures, with strict enforcement, to combat the problem. Hating brown people is not going to solve the illegal immigration problem.
I would attack that problem from EVERY angle, mine the borders, fine and arrest the business owners hiring, retro-actively eliminate the anchor-baby 14th amendment BS back 50 years if need be, and stop ALL immigration, legal or otherwise, for 25 years until the country settles in. There are people guilty of this problem on both the right and left, and all should be punished. As for deporting, I'd would create a national ID card and deport EVERY non-US citizen/person who overstayed their visa, etc. No more H1Bs, etc., but that is a topic for a different forum.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Nationalizing health insurance is communism.

The proposal is that the "state take over the means of production" where the health insurance industry ceases to be privately owned. The state then represents the wants of the common working man and provides them with their needs.

That is communism.
Nope!: Communism | Define Communism at Dictionary.com

Urban Dictionary: universal healthcare

Socialized medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CFHI - Myth Busted! > Myth: Canada has a communist-style healthcare system

In short; your definition is too narrow and lacks the details of doctors and other health care professionals not working for any "state" and also the little conundrum of your Medicare, Medicaid AND, perhaps best of all, your VA provisions as being ALL "communist" in your rather narrow view.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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I love how liberals are already admitting that Obamacare is a complete failure..
I love it how it isn't started and is still in the planning stages, and right wingnuts are saying it has failed lol HOW TYPICALLY WINGNUT!
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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Nationalizing health insurance is communism.

The proposal is that the "state take over the means of production" where the health insurance industry ceases to be privately owned. The state then represents the wants of the common working man and provides them with their needs.

That is communism.
Is it hard to go through life with the word, "Communism" being every other word in your vocabulary? Just asking, since I've been reading your posts, and that's what you do.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nope!: Communism | Define Communism at Dictionary.com

Urban Dictionary: universal healthcare

Socialized medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CFHI - Myth Busted! > Myth: Canada has a communist-style healthcare system

In short; your definition is too narrow and lacks the details of doctors and other health care professionals not working for any "state" and also the little conundrum of your Medicare, Medicaid AND, perhaps best of all, your VA provisions as being ALL "communist" in your rather narrow view.
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Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua View Post
Is it hard to go through life with the word, "Communism" being every other word in your vocabulary? Just asking, since I've been reading your posts, and that's what you do.

but the fact are that socialism, naziism, fascism, communism, Marxism, and progressivism/ liberalism are all the same...all stem from the progressive movement of the 1800's...all are anti-capitalism, all believe in the big government ruling over the people in place of a freedom that we all deserve...all are about high taxes being paid for by the minority of workers to support the majority of players...
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:24 PM
 
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Kind of odd don't you think. Liberals talk about paying for National Healthcare by reducing the bloated National Defense (care) because National Defense is too large and cumbersome and sucks up too much of the federal budget. They want to do all this based on the Medicare system that has year over year avoided budget cuts because the system is too expensive, bloated and cumbersome.


Libstinkers want the government to have more and more control.....no matter if it works or not.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by BruSan View Post
Nope!: Communism | Define Communism at Dictionary.com

Urban Dictionary: universal healthcare

Socialized medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CFHI - Myth Busted! > Myth: Canada has a communist-style healthcare system

In short; your definition is too narrow and lacks the details of doctors and other health care professionals not working for any "state" and also the little conundrum of your Medicare, Medicaid AND, perhaps best of all, your VA provisions as being ALL "communist" in your rather narrow view.
Because the government would be taking over health INSURANCE, not health care.
Read the OP.

If the state took over insurance then there ceases to be any variations. There's just government health insurance for all. For good or bad, that is all you will ever have. Go back to the OP's post. Health insurance would be nationalized. No other competition.
You can't get any supplemental private plans because there is no more private insurers.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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A better example is probably Canada, where no one wants to become a doctor
due to the low salaries
, there are long waits for any kind of special services,
and this is for a country of 20 million - I cannot even begin to imagine what a
disaster it would be to administer for 300 million.
What in God's name are you talking about? Did you hear that from Rush or Beck?
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I want the government to force everyone to have insurance that is funded through payroll taxes and excise taxes. Everyone pays. End refundable tax credits. End the earned income nonsense. National ID card. Cut the illegals off at the ER. Send them home.

Health care could be private - they simply contract like they do now. Anyone could purchase supplemental plans at their own expense.

Everyone would have copays on a sliding scale. $5 minimum.

Healthcare is important and should cost more than other services. I have no problem with docs make a buck.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:59 PM
 
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Communism doesn't equate to fairness. Go read your history.
But the national road system isn't communist? How about the military? Why isn't that privately owned and run?
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