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View Poll Results: Do you approve of the Tea Party and associated individuals?
I approve 92 53.18%
I disapprove 81 46.82%
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Old 07-21-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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Government does nothing but take our money to pay the people who help put the politicians in office. Think about it, with the billions the government gets every year and barrowed money, is your welfare check anything to write home about. It's just enough to keep you from rioting.

All Obama did was to increase welfare and he wants more democrats on the dole, why in the hell do you think the democrats are advertising food stamps in Mexico. You can only spread that free money so far, do you really think Democrats will up the amount to anything meaningful? No it's to keep them in office.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:12 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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There was a diversity of opinion among the Founders on slavery and race, but the bottom line is that many if not most of the Founding Fathers opposed slavery. The following states abolished slavery when the Founders were in power:

1. Vermont in 1777, the first Western nation to do so in the modern era (Vermont was independent at the time).
2. Pennsylvania in 1780
3. New Hampshire and Massachusetts in 1783. This also includes the future state of Maine which was part of Massachusetts at the time.
4. Connecticut and Rhode Island in 1784.
5. The Northwest Territory and thus 6 future states in 1787
6. New Jersey in 1804
7. New York in 1817

In addition, the slave trade was banned at the federal level in 1808, as soon as the Constitution permitted it. To be a pack of racist slavers they sure accomplished a lot against slavery . When the Founders started out slavery was legal in every state, but when they exited the scene slavery was banned in every Northern state and the abolitionist movement was gaining strength based on the principles the Founders enshrined into law. That's a net positive.

There certainly were Founding Fathers who were racist and pro-slavery, but most of them were from the South. The Constitution was as anti-slavery a document that the Founders could get and still keep the southern half of the country in the union. They were trying to create one central government for all 13 states, not just the northern states. It should be noted that if every state legislature abolished slavery, not one word in the Constitution would need to be changed; indeed, the Thirteenth Amendment didn't strike any words from the original Constitution.

Besides, slavery isn't even consistent with the founding principles of the United States, and it was abolished 150 years ago in the South and 200 years ago in the North. Why would we want to bring it back? The whole point of the Tea Party and libertarianism is to reject slavery and naked force in all of its forms.



Third world environment? Having a (limited) government may be a net positive over having no government, but I'd like to know just what does government do that is so vital that without it we would have eternal third-world destitution? The innovations that have made us into a first-world country have come from the private sector, which incidentally is where the government gets all of its funding. Simply put, the belief that government creates prosperity is economically illiterate.



Precisely.
hmmmmm

a legal system, public education, law enforcement, a military, disaster relief, environmental protection, roads............lol

And I hate to break the news to you, but most of our greatest innovations didn't come from the private sector. It's about a 50/50 split. The private sector is based on profit; therefore, anything that doesn't produce a profit doesn't happen. That's were big brother comes in and says "who cares if there's no profit in creating and running national parks. Let's make them because it's good for society, and it's the right thing to do."
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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As it states in your own quote......

Those fund raising parties EVOLVED into the formal Tea Party which was founded in 2009.

No education needed.

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Nope, the Tea Party was formed in 2007 when we began to use the term during the Ron Paul presidential campaign.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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Nope, the Tea Party was formed in 2007 when we began to use the term during the Ron Paul presidential campaign.
Geez.....your own quoted material from Wikipedia showed that incorrect.

The "Boston Tea Party" and fundraising groups for Ron Paul are NOT the same thing as The Tea Party which was formally created in 2009.

If you really want to include them, then you'd have to say it began in the 1970s when people began mailing tea bags to elected officials.

Those were BEGINNINGS if the Tea Party movement, but no official organized group was formed until 2009.

Read MORE from Wikipedia and you will see that.

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Old 07-21-2013, 03:42 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No. Teabaggers are social and religious conservatives first and foremost, and economic issues are almost an afterthought. Teabaggers are simply the people who put Bush in office: evangelicals and an assortment of crazy right-wingers.

How else do you explain Todd Akin, and Michelle Bachmann, Queen of the Teabaggers?

Ron Paul is the God Father of the Tea Party moment.
People were sure to jump on the coattails of the popular and gaining momentum, to get their special message out and call themselves Tea Party to get heard. Kinda like Progressives calling themselves Republicans and the ignorant equate Republican with conservative.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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They've made it pretty clear.
how so? just by wanting a secure border with on of the most violent nations on earth?
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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The tea party represents an ignorant perception that things were better before we had a real government.
They weren't. Have you ever seen gangs of New York? That's how brutal life was for most people in the "good ol days" The tea party is nothing but a bunch of backwards religious people that ironically don't care about other people. That's the funniest part about it......................."hi i'm a christian, but I hate the way that Jesus character in my book is always telling me to to spread my hard earned money????????????????????????????????????????????? ???
OK if you don't want a freer america, leave.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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I don't think the tea party folk understand the issues which they opine about.

They use buzz words like constitution and freedom and socialism but if they were put into a pol sci 101 class they could not define the issues to satisfaction or articulate what they mean with any coherence.

I think they are patriotic but misguided and need an outlet to grapple with America's decline and Asia's rise....They are averse to the inevitable winds of change--demographic, cultural, sexual, economic--and have no answer to their declining status.

I wish them the best, but pity them more than anything else.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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OK if you don't want a freer america, leave.
freedom from what? Please define what you think freedom is...

what is a freer America...less regulation....what is the point of regulation?


how can regulation add value and how can it be a hindrance?
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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No. Teabaggers are social and religious conservatives first and foremost, and economic issues are almost an afterthought. Teabaggers are simply the people who put Bush in office: evangelicals and an assortment of crazy right-wingers.

How else do you explain Todd Akin, and Michelle Bachmann, Queen of the Teabaggers?
Evangelicals wouldn't put Bush in office today. He's "too liberal" now as they slide further right.
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