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You got what you wanted. The homosexual militant haters must be ecstatic. Somebody dared disagree with the homosexual and the homosexual was able to shut down a business and negatively impact this family’s ability to put food on the table. Good job losers!
And gee, all they wanted was for government to legally recognize them.
And Oregon doesn't recognize same sex marriages.
They got married in MA.
When was the last store you have been in shopping for pants or something and the owner felt the need to preach to you about his god and what he does and doesn't support?
I'm sure there was a time when someone did just that if a woman asked to buy pants for herself. They don't anymore because they would lose too much business and it is now just the norm. Matter of fact, everyone would just assume the guy had lost it and could use a visit to a good therapist. No one legislated that they had to sell pants to women, that just eventually became the norm though the changing of our culture. You can't legislate acceptance.
I'm sure there was a time when someone did just that if a woman asked to buy pants for herself. They don't anymore because they would lose too much business and it is now just the norm. Matter of fact, everyone would just assume the guy had lost it and could use a visit to a good therapist. No one legislated that they had to sell pants to women, that just eventually became an acceptable norm. You can't legislate acceptance.
Kind of along the lines of: The beatings will continue until morale improves.
That's a generalization that isn't even true. What might be perfect for one might be unacceptable for others.
"Perfect information" refers to consumers having ALL the facts about a business and its practices. It doesn't mean that the information is perfect to someone.
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It would have made no difference if they simply said they disliked the homosexual lifestyle and gave no reason. There are those who dislike Muslims over the actions of some which has nothing to do with religion but rather a stereotype.
But the story is what it is because of the "religious" aspect. Otherwise, it's just another run-of-the-mill discrimination case.
Again, we are not discussing whether it's a good idea. It matters none how many times it has happened to me but as I've noted earlier I have experienced someone not wanting to associate with me because of my "lifestyle".
I am not arguing it's a good idea. I am arguing that the "solution" here doesn't do anything about the problem.
Your solution is a bad business model, but it doesn't break the law. If a business wishes to not want people to advertise them or goes out of their way to tell someone they don't approve of their "lifestyle" then that business will probably be buying some new going out of business signs when people begin writing negative reviews.
Absolutely! You can not legislate acceptance only compliance. You you try to legislate it, it creates resentment. Funny how people are okay with this crap when it supports their personal beliefs but they will be upset when they are on the other side.
Funny how you don't see discrimination creates resentment.
"Perfect information" refers to consumers having ALL the facts about a business and its practices. It doesn't mean that the information is perfect to someone.
There is no such thing. It's a concept that isn't based in anything. Even then even in theory it solves nothing. One person may hate that business A buys their items from China produced from slave labor but the next person loves the low prices.
There is no legitimate concept that a business must post all of their practices for people to see or that you ever actually going to know in the vast majority of cases.
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But the story is what it is because of the "religious" aspect. Otherwise, it's just another run-of-the-mill discrimination case.
So it's O.K. to discriminate for reasons other than religious convictions? If you are discriminated against, it's worse because you disagree more with the reason you were discriminated against?
I understand that. It obviously does not fix the problem.
It is certainly not comparable 100% but people complain about someone like the Jehovah Witnesses knocking on their doors. I understand that there are times people don't want bothered but I made a friend by being willing to open my door to someone that I have a philosophical difference with.
It got to where I enjoyed when he would knock on the door. He would ask me about work and my family and I learned that his brother played football for the St Louis Cardinals in the 60's.
My wife asked me why I encouraged him? I didn't encourage him as I told him more than once that I wouldn't be attending his church but despite our differences he was a nice guy. He felt compelled to give me a Watchtower after every visit but eh, so what.
Maybe if the couple went in every couple weeks and bought some cookies and showed that their marriage is not causing the world to end the guy might realize that he was mistaken in his beliefs.
Being a Jahovah Witness isn't the same thing as baking cakes. This bakery made wedding cakes, not religious philosophy cakes.
Nor did I ask your personal experience. Many do ask where the cake came from but that's not the question. To make it easier for you.
"I will make your cake but I have to tell you, I do not agree with your lifestyle"
What have we solved?
Maybe the couple would have said thanks, but no thanks, and went elsewhere.
That isn't what the baker did, though. Maybe the baker should have tried that approach, then he wouldn't be investigated for breaking the state law.
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