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Old 10-14-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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Actually I think they would be more freaked out by all the technology that exists today.

Technology doesn't change freedom & liberty. Or is this just a diversion?

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Old 10-14-2013, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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"I will not negotiate." — Obama
"We will not negotiate." — Harry Reid

Who is it, again, who will not compromise?
Why would anyone want to negotiation with people who refuse to open up the government? If the Republicans want to negotiation, they know what they need to do first.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:52 AM
 
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You mean like how House Republicans have abused their power. Did you know anyone in the House could try and bring a vote to the floor, but the House Republicans recently changed the rules so that only the majority can bring a vote to the floor preventing Democrats from stopping this shutdown.


Only an amendment to the constitution can change the way government works.
At least that is how it is suppose to work.
Remember the 17th amendment?
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:52 AM
 
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Actually no, I don't like it when either side in the House try to change the rules to disadvantage the minority. But I take it you are happy when Republicans do it to make a government shutdown happen.
No, I'm just happy that they have at least made some token effort at defunding and removing Obamacare.

I'll applaud anything done that's good, whether I approve of the players or not. And "good" is defined is taking power away from the government. Always.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:54 AM
 
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Why would anyone want to negotiation with people who refuse to open up the government? If the Republicans want to negotiation, they know what they need to do first.
Because the people who are shutting down the government are the ones refusing to negotiate, not the other way around. It is the Democrats and Obama who are responsible for shutdown.

They faced a determined House, which is exercising it's Constitutional authority to fund what it wants and NOT what it wants. They had two options... Agree and negotiate the terms, or shutdown.

Obama chose shutdown, and ordered Reid to obey.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Only an amendment to the constitution can change the way government works.
At least that is how it is suppose to work.
Remember the 17th amendment?
Well I guess you should tell the Republicans that who recently changed how the House members can bring a vote to the floor.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Better half of PA
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Obama care is a done deal.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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To spend or not spend is for the House to decide. To fund or not to fund ObamaCare is their "right to choose," and based on the enormous cost and the amount of waste involved in ObamaCare, and our current debt, not funding it would reassert the fiscal function they were entrusted with.

Benjamin Franklin would be proud of Republican efforts to defund ObamaCare.

The "Great Compromise."
Th "founders" would have ordered the arrest of the anti-American Congressmen engaged in illegal activities.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No, I'm just happy that they have at least made some token effort at defunding and removing Obamacare.

I'll applaud anything done that's good, whether I approve of the players or not. And "good" is defined is taking power away from the government. Always.
So you only applaud the government trying to defund things you don't like?
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Because the people who are shutting down the government are the ones refusing to negotiate, not the other way around. It is the Democrats and Obama who are responsible for shutdown.

They faced a determined House, which is exercising it's Constitutional authority to fund what it wants and NOT what it wants. They had two options... Agree and negotiate the terms, or shutdown.

Obama chose shutdown, and ordered Reid to obey.
Obviously you have no idea who shut down the government. Why didn't Boner bring the clean bill to a vote to prevent the government from shutting down while the two sides worked out their differences?
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