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I would like to see infrastructure built without that successful business paying taxes..
Just stop the stupidity. Government has NOTHING without taking it from society first. Even the land those roads were built on had to come from the private sector.
Stop bowling down to government.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
And I would like to see government "build" all that stuff without taking taxpayer money.
Without our money government can't build all that stuff.
The left seem to despise "self" and "independent".
Well there are some of us that don't want to join your "village".
We don't like the thought of being part of the collective.
So both of you live in an alternate reality. Gotcha.
Infrastructure is public because it is cheaper to do so and benefits society more. Also, the government doesn't take anything from the private sector. The government controls the nation's currency which allows new wealth to be created. Where do you think the $$$ in your pocket came from? You didn't create it. The government did through running deficits (federal debt = money paid back as it matures over time).
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Stop lying..
btw, have YOU purchased that insurance yet that you are whining that everyone else MUST have, or they are low down bums who drain society?
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If everyone can afford it, then why havent YOU bought it?
What a hypocrite. Run around telling everyone to cut their phone, their cable, because healthcare is a priority and very affordable, while at the same time post that you dont have it and dont plan to acquire it until next year..
WHY NOT?
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Then why Erik, DONT YOU HAVE INSURANCE?
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HELLO? ANYONE HOME? THERE WILL STILL BE 30,000,000 WITHOUT INSURANCE...
YOU ARE ONE OF THEM, while you lecture everyone here about how affordable it is..
What a tool...
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Which is why we laughed our ass off when Obama said premiums would fall $2500 per year or 3,000%...
and yet we still have people arguing he was truthful then, and still now... Ironically the very ones who claim its affordable, and everyone should have it, but dont have it themself..
BEING YOU!!!
Are you done trolling?
My personal situation is irrelevant. Would you like a spreadsheet of my personal finances? Health care is affordable. Then again, I prioritize it over luxuries such as cable or a smart phone. I have nothing to complain about.
I think the answer lies somewhere in a compromise.
A national single-payer system funded through payroll taxes is the most efficient way to provide everyone with basic health care.
However, the private health care system should remain on a fee-only basis for elective / specialist procedures and primary care. If doctors can do it better than government, they should be allowed to do so. Waiting times can be combated by allowing this private option to remain available for those willing to pay.
And a FICA jump from 6% to 16% would be welcomed ?
An addition 8-10% is what would be needed and that would not cover it. You'd also need additional taxes as well.
And that is the employee part. Employers would also see at least a doubling of what they pay for FICA.
Look at Europe's tax structure and then even look at what Vermont is putting together for their single payer system for 2017. They acknowledge they need a payroll tax hike as well as additional consumer taxes to pay for it.
I'm sure all those burger flippers will be thrilled to see more of their money gone via FICA and higher taxes.
No they don't..47% don't pay any Federal Income tax (they get it all back plus more)
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Do not mention this inconvenient fact. It means you are a horrible person who hates 47% of the country.
Income taxes don't actually fund your roads. Sorry to mention this "inconvenient fact."
Roads and infrastructure are paid for through sales, property, and excise taxes, of which the lower classes contribute significantly more as a percentage of their total income than the upper class do. Income taxes only make up the difference where these other taxes come short.
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Here's a novel idea.....why don't you repeal all of the laws and regulations that created your Soviet-style Command healthcare system, institute Free Market policies, and then you won't have $75,000 hospital bills?
If poor people could afford health insurance, the hospital bills wouldn't be $75,000.
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I recommend you learn the meaning of "average."
Is there some part of "average" that you don't understand? Do you require links to dictionaries or thesauri?
What the hell does average have to do with this conversation?
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Yes, I read where Republicans placed constraints on the budget to reduce it.
Republicans are hilarious. They blow up the budget with tax cuts then try to take credit for fixing it?
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Do you read anything?
You have presented propaganda.
Can your arguments against pure facts get any more simplistic?
I think the answer lies somewhere in a compromise.
A national single-payer system funded through payroll taxes is the most efficient way to provide everyone with basic health care.
However, the private health care system should remain on a fee-only basis for elective / specialist procedures and primary care. If doctors can do it better than government, they should be allowed to do so. Waiting times can be combated by allowing this private option to remain available for those willing to pay.
I don't believe that the government should be involved in providing health insurance, or health care to the people. I think that a private, not for profit, system or even better, systems, would be best.
And a FICA jump from 6% to 16% would be welcomed ?
An addition 8-10% is what would be needed and that would not cover it. You'd also need additional taxes as well.
And that is the employee part. Employers would also see at least a doubling of what they pay for FICA.
Look at Europe's tax structure and then even look at what Vermont is putting together for their single payer system for 2017. They acknowledge they need a payroll tax hike as well as additional consumer taxes to pay for it.
I'm sure all those burger flippers will be thrilled to see more of their money gone via FICA and higher taxes.
If you are paying $3,000 in premiums + $6,000 deductible for health care, the 10% rise in payroll taxes is usually cheaper. Surprise
Most people don't actually meet the deductible in a year, but they sure like to complain about how high of a number it is!
I don't believe that the government should be involved in providing health insurance, or health care to the people. I think that a private, not for profit, system or even better, systems, would be best.
Private, not-for profit doesn't make sense. What is their incentive?
Unlike the private sector, the government has to serve the best interests of its people. The private sector has no such obligation.
If poor people could afford health insurance, the hospital bills wouldn't be $75,000.
I think you are choosing to miss the point that this poster was trying to make. Hospital bills are artificially inflated and not based in reality in part due to laws and regulations.
Private, not-for profit doesn't make sense. What is their incentive?
Unlike the private sector, the government has to serve the best interests of its people. The private sector has no such obligation.
Their incentive? Health care. "Not for profit" does not mean that people won't get paid, they most certainly will. The main focus, however will not be on profits.
The government does not serve the best interest of the people.
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