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Old 03-25-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Originally Posted by Kracer View Post
You describe exactly the patriots who stood up against the Brits!
That illiterate mob did real well against the sophisticated and well trained Brits and their erudite intellectual masters.
Wow.

There are about four or five different radical rewrites of history in those two sentences alone.

Somebody has made up an alternative version of the Revolutionary War.

 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Originally Posted by dsjj251 View Post
It was the flag of rebellion against the United States of America over the continuation of slavery. It was already a symbol of hatred.
Actually, no. The "Confederate Flag" was never actually the Confederate flag. At best, it was the Battle Flag for General Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

The actual Confederate flag was the "Stars and Bars." It looked like this:

http://www.ultimateflags.com/images/...%2013%20md.jpg

The reason the "Confederate Flag" that we think of today is widely reviled as a symbol of hatred and bigotry is because, well, that's exactly why it was resurrected from nearly complete obscurity; as a symbol of protest against school desegregation in 1956. This was soon after the SCOTUS decision in Brown vs. The Board of Education, and it started during anti-black protests at the University of Mississippi.

That's the only reason it became popular. It certainly was not all that popular during or soon after the Civil War.

It was not the symbol of slavery. It is a symbol of good old 20th Century racism.

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Old 03-25-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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Actually, no. The "Confederate Flag" was never actually the Confederate flag. At best, it was the Battle Flag for General Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

The actual Confederate flag was the "Stars and Bars." It looked like this:



The reason the "Confederate Flag" that we think of today is widely reviled as a symbol of hatred and bigotry is because, well, that's exactly why it was resurrected from nearly complete obscurity as a symbol of protest against school desegregation in 1956. This was soon after the SCOTUS decision in Brown vs. The Board of Education, and it started during anti-black protests at the University of Mississippi.

That's the only reason it became popular. It certainly was not all that popular during or soon after the Civil War.

It was not the symbol of slavery. It is a symbol of good old 20th Century racism.
Yes, this looks to be a good synopsis:

USFlag.org: A website dedicated to the Flag of the United States of America - Confederate Stars and Bars
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:17 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
Actually, no. The "Confederate Flag" was never actually the Confederate flag. At best, it was the Battle Flag for General Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

The actual Confederate flag was the "Stars and Bars." It looked like this:



The reason the "Confederate Flag" that we think of today is widely reviled as a symbol of hatred and bigotry is because, well, that's exactly why it was resurrected from nearly complete obscurity as a symbol of protest against school desegregation in 1956. This was soon after the SCOTUS decision in Brown vs. The Board of Education, and it started during anti-black protests at the University of Mississippi.

That's the only reason it became popular. It certainly was not all that popular during or soon after the Civil War.

It was not the symbol of slavery. It is a symbol of good old 20th Century racism.
We have had this discussion before.


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02-21-2014, 04:01 AM
dsjj251

The Flag of the United States is the flag that also fought for the freedom of African Americans. The "confederate flag" to which you defend is not only a flag of treason, but also the symbolic(however incorrectly) embodiment of slavery.

The Southern Heritage argument also makes no sense what so ever. The town i live in was under the Flags of 3 other nations besides the CSA or USA for a combination of 130 years. thats 126 more than the CSA even existed.

Southern heritage my *****

. We both know it wasnt the official flag, but the point still stands, it was a symbol long before the KKK snatched it up.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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Might not be such a good idea. Obamacare is opposed by more Americans than by those who favor it, and always has been.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law
I would not jump for joy over those numbers, a lot of the opposition to Obamacare is from people who want single payer, or public option and believe it does not go far enough.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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This is absolutely outrageous. The Democrats are stealing the Tea Party Gadsden Flag which stands for Medicare, Tricare, and VA for those entitled and trying to apply it to means tested Obamacare. Can you believe the audacity of some people to adopt a symbol that stands for earned entitlements.

Heres the link and you can get your bumper sticker athttp://www.barackobama.com/

Conservative Groups Say Democrats Stealing Tea Party Symbol To Promote Obamacare « CBS DC
That's just so wrong, on so many levels.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 11:28 AM
 
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I would not jump for joy over those numbers, a lot of the opposition to Obamacare is from people who want single payer, or public option and believe it does not go far enough.
Irrelevant, because even the people who favor full blown socialized medicine, can see how absolutely horribly written and executed this laws is.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by jacqueg View Post
I'm puzzled. The Gadsen flag has been part of American iconology for how long? How can it possibly be a possession that can be stolen?
Indeed, who knew the Tea party officially owned the rights to that flag now in order for Obamacare to steal it.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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Shouldn't the symbol used to promote Obamacare be a dunce cap?
 
Old 03-25-2014, 12:21 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Egbert View Post
I would not jump for joy over those numbers, a lot of the opposition to Obamacare is from people who want single payer, or public option and believe it does not go far enough.
Equal opportunity disapproval. Obamacare has managed to alienate voters on both sides of the aisle.
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