Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-17-2014, 01:13 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
25,947 posts, read 24,749,338 times
Reputation: 9728

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
No. The people have spoken.

Since when are non-citizens guaranteed a right to that? They're not. Otherwise the U.S. Border Patrol wouldn't be able to turn any foreigner back once they're on U.S. soil. They'd all have to have a trial to determine whether they're guilty of illegal entry before they're turned away.
All modern countries have such laws. Else anyone could simply abduct someone from another country and abuse them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-17-2014, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
3,401 posts, read 2,285,496 times
Reputation: 1072
Quote:
Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
No. The people have spoken.
Good thing my sense of right and wrong isn't informed by polls performed in foreign countries.

Quote:
Since when are non-citizens guaranteed a right to that?
Since always. Read your own constitution. Read your bill of rights.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-17-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
89,031 posts, read 44,840,107 times
Reputation: 13715
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
Not big enough to mean you aren't a hypocrite.
I prefer to let most targeted people live. You don't. BIG difference. You're for death. I'm for preserving life.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-17-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
39,228 posts, read 27,611,062 times
Reputation: 16068
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
I know you do. You are wrong.
I know you don't and you are wrong.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-17-2014, 01:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
89,031 posts, read 44,840,107 times
Reputation: 13715
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
Since always. Read your own constitution. Read your bill of rights.
So why is the Border Patrol turning foreigners already on U.S. soil away at the Obama Admin's discretion?

High deportation figures are misleading - LA Times

Please inform yourself.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-17-2014, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
3,401 posts, read 2,285,496 times
Reputation: 1072
Quote:
Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
So why is the Border Patrol turning foreigners already on U.S. soil away at the Obama Admin's discretion?
Have you read your constitution yet? Have you read your bill of rights yet? If you haven't, why are you still talking to me?

I don't know why you think deporting illegal immigrants is not following due process. I'm not interested in why you think deporting illegal immigrants is not following due process either.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-18-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
89,031 posts, read 44,840,107 times
Reputation: 13715
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
I don't know why you think deporting illegal immigrants is not following due process.
I'm not talking about deporting them. I'm talking about turning them away on the U.S. soil portion of the border without due process. They're foreigners present on U.S. soil and are not entitled to the right to due process. They're told to turn around and go back to the country from which they crossed the border.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-18-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
3,401 posts, read 2,285,496 times
Reputation: 1072
Quote:
Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
I'm not talking about deporting them. I'm talking about turning them away on the U.S. soil portion of the border without due process. They're foreigners present on U.S. soil and are not entitled to the right to due process. They're told to turn around and go back to the country from which they crossed the border.
Turning people away from a border if they don't have the necessary paperwork or whatever is part of due process too.

If you think foreigners aren't due due process, you haven't done as instructed and read your own constitution and bill of rights. You are very bad at following instructions. I suspect you know you're wrong but are desperate to pretend your defense of torture has merit. Or maybe you just don't understand the issue and are incapable of fact checking by reading your own bill of rights. Strange that someone defending the use of torture to interrogate someone is not interesting in learning facts. Verifying info is clearly anathema to right-wingers who support torture because Muslims upset them and make them sad.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-18-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
89,031 posts, read 44,840,107 times
Reputation: 13715
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
Turning people away from a border if they don't have the necessary paperwork or whatever is part of due process too.
Based on what? Some entering the country illegally without paperwork are permitted to stay (in direct violation of federal law), others aren't. Where's the due process in that?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-18-2014, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
3,401 posts, read 2,285,496 times
Reputation: 1072
Quote:
Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Based on what? Some entering the country illegally without paperwork are permitted to stay (in direct violation of federal law), others aren't. Where's the due process in that?
Fifth Amendment. I have no reason to think you understand what constitutes "due process" in any given situation since you don't even know to whom it applies. Also, your tangent is irrelevant. Also, it's a tu quoque argument so it's worthless. You should've stopped to read your own bill of rights instead of continuing to fail with every word you type.

Anyway, it's interesting to know you believe I can be shot for speeding in the US because I'm not guaranteed due process of law by your own constitution. How embarrassed are you that I know your country's rules better than you?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:41 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top