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Think about it, first of all, a significant portion of "criminals" are nothing more than users. Then, beyond just the users, drugs provide a steady criminal source of income. If this income was eliminated, how would people who do not work or have government assistance get money? Robberies? I don't think very many people have come out ahead continually for robbing and it's not a 20 year income plan.
And if you haven't heard about how bad cartel violence is getting, go to the thread in the Great Debates section and read up on it. It's really disgusting.
But the one of the bigger issues to me are that if a person does decide to use drugs, then they are shut out from participating and working in most parts of society. So, the criminal option has more appeal. If people could go to work on monday after using drugs like people now go to work on monday after using alcohol, those users would have a greater chance at not turning to crime.
Also, once a person has a felony on their record, they are essentially doomed from ever having a good shot at achieving a good job in the future. So, then again they turn to crime.
I talked to a person in one of my college classes the other day who sold marijuana at CSU. He said a doctor proscribed him 8 ounces of weed a day due to a $30 purchased medical back issue card he got. He turned around and sold it on the street because it was 1/2 the cost of legal weed. He was making more than $1000 a day. He said adderal and ADHD drugs, (methamphetamine) and the pain meds worked the same way. People would get ridiculously large prescriptions, then sell them on the street for big profit margins. And his sentence for getting caught? A $20000 fine.
So, lets take a look at it. My, Phil P's, options for drugs: we have alcohol, tobacco, cough syrup, marijuana, pain meds, ADHD drugs/amphetamines, crack, heroin, benedryll, datura, inhalants, and amanita muscaria. ALL of them are crap drugs with the exception of marijuana, which i have not tried.
The ones I have tried have left me really wondering why anybody does them? Pain meds were boring and numbing, cough syrup had less effect than sugar or caffeine does, and benedryll was interesting in that it showed me how mentally ill people think, but it was definitely dysphoric. All the halfway decent drugs, like DIPT, are no where to be found. I will never use drugs habitually, but, people are curious, and their choices for their curiosity are the most highly addictive, damaging drugs. I say that if people were given the options, crap drugs like opiates and nicotene and alcohol use would decrease dramatically in favor better, less addicting, less potentially harmful options.
My, Phil P's, options for drugs: we have alcohol, tobacco, cough syrup, marijuana, pain meds, ADHD drugs/amphetamines, crack, heroin, benedryll, datura, inhalants, and amanita muscaria. ALL of them are crap drugs with the exception of marijuana, which i have not tried.
You need to try marijuana.
That is really all you need.
Much more healthier than nicotine, caffeine, alcohol or any rx prescribed drug.
I support legalizing certain drugs but the example we have in real life in Colorado supports the position I've held all along.
It will do very little to stop crime. Dealers in Colorado are simply undercutting the state with their prices and because its now less risky they are doing just as well.
If a person doesn't have $250 for pot while its illegal they still don't have that kind of money for it when its legal.
I am not so sure about a majority of crimes going down because you would still have a addiction problem. Junkies would still steal, commit fraud, rob people, and even kill to get that monkey off their back. There is no difference between buying drugs from state a regulated shop or from Cooley High on the corner to a junkie. That junkie still needs money and right now to feed that habit and in cases will do anything to get it.
I support legalizing certain drugs but the example we have in real life in Colorado supports the position I've held all along.
It will do very little to stop crime. Dealers in Colorado are simply undercutting the state with their prices and because its now less risky they are doing just as well.
If a person doesn't have $250 for pot while its illegal they still don't have that kind of money for it when its legal.
You don't think the price would come down as more legit businesses compete ( government stores are not legit businesses or free market)?
I support legalizing certain drugs but the example we have in real life in Colorado supports the position I've held all along.
It will do very little to stop crime. Dealers in Colorado are simply undercutting the state with their prices and because its now less risky they are doing just as well.
If a person doesn't have $250 for pot while its illegal they still don't have that kind of money for it when its legal.
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I lived in Denver for many years and I could see where dealers are undercutting the legal shops because there was always good weed in Denver. If I lived there now I would keep my old connects and would rarely buy at the shops because of the price. they just have better growers in that part of the country, here in Ohio not so much.
I lived in Denver for many years and I could see where dealers are undercutting the legal shops because there was always good weed in Denver. If I lived there now I would keep my old connects and would rarely buy at the shops because of the price. they just have better growers in that part of the country, here in Ohio not so much.
If it becomes legal in Ohio its not so tough to bring it in from Colorado. I remember when people used to do it with Coors.
I don't know where people get the idea that dealers are just going to get jobs at McDonalds because government gets into the act.
Crime didn't stop when prohibition ended. It just moved on to something else. There are valid arguments for making some things legal that aren't today but the idea that crime will stop isn't one of them.
Criminals will still be criminals, they'll move onto something else. As far as they go some of the crime such as murders related to turf may be eliminated since control of an area doesn't produce profits. The biggest impact on crime will be to help eliminate crimes like the addict knocking the little old lady over for her purse. Many of those people are not criminal by nature but a product of addiction. By lowering the costs of the drugs they have less reason to commit crimes.
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