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Old 06-05-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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Face it: all industrialized nations beside this one banned guns and all have crime many times lower than ours. Bringing up 1935 China doesn't change that fact. Pol-Pot, Soviet Russia, gun ownership in XXI century all mixed up in an ignorant rant. Face the music. ROTFL
LOL, another post avoiding every fact that is brought up so that you don't actually have to respond to the numbers. ROFL.

 
Old 06-05-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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What makes you think they didn't have guns ? How good are guns of civilians against an army though?
Yeah, that is why the Red Coats squashed the rebellion... oh wait..

Let me pull up a quote for you since you have obviously NEVER looked into how this country was created:

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"They tell us Sir, that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature has placed in our power." -- Patrick Henry
 
Old 06-05-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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Who? The Jews in Poland?




That was in XVIII century when there were no tanks, no airplanes and machine guns.



Oh, was the French or polish resistance able to defeat or liberate their countries? When did this happen?
A bunch of linen hat wearing people living in caves using old worn our AK-47's seem to be doing a pretty good job against ours...

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Old 06-05-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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A bunch of towel heads living in caves using old worn our AK-47's seem to be doing a pretty good job against ours...
I don't like the term "towel heads" but your post is true... the U.S. has spent how much trying to establish control in Afghanistan and Iraq? How long has it taken? How successful have they been?

What are the gun ownership rates like in Iraq and Afghanistan? Iraq has 32.4 per 100 people. Afiganistan? 4.6. The United States? 89.

Not only does the U.S. have almost double the gun ownership of the next couple countries on the list, Americans own far more sophisticated weaponry. Heck, some Americans own MIG and SU-27 fighter jets, even more own helicopters and tanks.

The U.S. has been struggling against insurgents in caves, I don't think it wants to turn its weapons on a populace that has much more sophisticated weapons, knowledge, access to technology and materials...etc. A lot of people in the U.S. know how to work on guns, modify them, etc... A gunsmith could mate a gun to a quad-rotor drone in minutes and make it work... they don't have any of those advantages in the middle-east.


TL;DR: The U.S. can't win a war against insurgents, and the U.S. populace has three times as many weapons, that are four times as sophisticated/advanced.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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Serious question for gun-lovers.... Do you really believe that all other industrialized nations banned guns for ant other reason than to curb murders? Since England banned all guns in 1997 their murder rate dropped 25%. 25% in just 15 years! Gun control works.

Newsflash! This isn't England! Nor should we aspire to be like England.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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If we wanted to WIN at any expense and disregarding public opinion we would have won already.





This is when your lack of education bites you in the ass. Germans would never leave occupied Poland, if they had to they would just kill each and every civilian but would not leave, they wanted the land, with or without the people.




You think anybody would fight for that? You're just a tough talking mythomaniac lol

If the US government decided to repeal the 2nd Amendment and ban the private ownership of guns you'd bet your a** that many Americans would fight it! Not to mention you would also have those in LE and in the service who would side with civilians due to their oath that they took when it comes to fighting enemies foreign and domestic, which in that case would be an overreaching government acting outside of the US Constitution! I know quite a few people who are gun owners, and have CCWs (one an ex-marine) who have made it very clear that if the government tried a major confiscation of guns that they would give them back.... one bullet at a time. I suppose you could go ahead and try, but it might get really ugly. Are you prepared to deal with that type of unrest?
 
Old 06-05-2014, 11:09 AM
 
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If we wanted to WIN at any expense and disregarding public opinion we would have won already.
If the U.S. won't nuke insurgents in the middle east, they aint gonna do it to their own people either.

That is the only way to win in the fashion you are describing, total obliteration and mass murder. It is against international law and it is a violation of human rights... oh yeah, you don't think rights exist.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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If the U.S. won't nuke insurgents in the middle east, they aint gonna do it to their own people either.

That is the only way to win in the fashion you are describing, total obliteration and mass murder. It is against international law and it is a violation of human rights... oh yeah, you don't think rights exist.
Farther more it would make any sense for a government of the U.S. that consist of people who live in the U.S. to nuke their own homes. What power would that have after destroying/contaminating their own homes?
 
Old 06-05-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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I don't like the term "towel heads" but your post is true... the U.S. has spent how much trying to establish control in Afghanistan and Iraq? How long has it taken? How successful have they been?

What are the gun ownership rates like in Iraq and Afghanistan? Iraq has 32.4 per 100 people. Afiganistan? 4.6. The United States? 89.

Not only does the U.S. have almost double the gun ownership of the next couple countries on the list, Americans own far more sophisticated weaponry. Heck, some Americans own MIG and SU-27 fighter jets, even more own helicopters and tanks.

The U.S. has been struggling against insurgents in caves, I don't think it wants to turn its weapons on a populace that has much more sophisticated weapons, knowledge, access to technology and materials...etc. A lot of people in the U.S. know how to work on guns, modify them, etc... A gunsmith could mate a gun to a quad-rotor drone in minutes and make it work... they don't have any of those advantages in the middle-east.


TL;DR: The U.S. can't win a war against insurgents, and the U.S. populace has three times as many weapons, that are four times as sophisticated/advanced.
Yeah, bad term.. I apologize for that.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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And still be safer than most gun-loving southern states.... Lol
As with any state the safest areas are the farming, middle class and higherclass areas.

To say "NJ is a safe state" is meaningless.

Depends on where you are in NJ. The 'burbs - yeah. Da 'hoods - no.
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