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Old 06-10-2014, 10:10 AM
 
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"Women shouldn't need to learn to protect themselves against rape #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a woman #rapeculture"

Feminists Freak Out Over Miss Nevada Suggestion Women Learn Self Defense to Avoid Rape - Katie Pavlich

Wow!
What is wrong with women learning to defend themselves?
Yeah women shouldn't need to protect themselves from rape.

I also shouldn't have to lock my door at night because people shouldn't burglarize homes.
I shouldn't have to avoid bad neighborhoods because people shouldn't mug other people.
There are a lot of things we SHOULDN'T have to do but we do them because that's the way the world is
unfortunately.

What do you think has better odds of success…
We rehabilitate or "teach" all of the violent men in the world who would rape a woman to change their ways or we teach women how to defend themselves and how to avoid becoming a victim of rape?

Its wrong for women to learn to defend themselves because men shouldn't rape?
I guess we no longer need the police or laws either because people shouldn't commit crimes.
I sometimes wonder if feminists are women's worst enemy.
Wow.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the Kona coffee fields
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Participants in beauty competitions always have to learn to defend themselves. Against feminists.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:18 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I see nothing wrong with what she said. Everyone should have the means to defend themselves from those who would cause harm to you.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:19 AM
 
Location: USA
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Any article that beings with "leftists" and similar phrases is already clearly interested in promoting an agenda vs. the facts. Given that, I can't even be sure if the so-called "leftist, feminist responses" are accurate or taken out of context.

That being said, one can badly misinterpret what is being said. Technically speaking, in an idealized case, women should not "need to defend themselves against rape" because men wouldn't be trying to rape them. Note that this is idealized and is similar to saying that a person shouldn't HAVE to learn how to "kill somebody who's trying to harm their family" because, ideally, people wouldn't be trying to harm other people.

Now, that being said, it is obviously only an idealized case. In reality, women do need to learn to defend themselves - really, everyone should have some training in that area if possible - but we should also try not to sweep rape under the rug as a society, too. In short, we should not rely SOLELY upon a woman's self-defense skills to prevent rape anymore than we should rely SOLELY upon a home owner's firearms skills to prevent robberies.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Learning self defense won't end the rape culture we have in this country. It would be better for our country to teach men that it isn't okay to rape someone.

I will say the article sounded to be hard Ms Nevada because she is also right that in our rape culture, it is important for women to learn how to defend themselves from their attackers because we are incapable of teaching our men that it isn't okay to rape a woman.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:39 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Learning self defense won't end the rape culture we have in this country. It would be better for our country to teach men that it isn't okay to rape someone.

I will say the article sounded to be hard Ms Nevada because she is also right that in our rape culture, it is important for women to learn how to defend themselves from their attackers because we are incapable of teaching our men that it isn't okay to rape a woman.
People have been rapping people for as long as humans have walked the earth. It is completely impossible to teach everyone not to rape. (Not saying that it should not happen though). This issue is best approached from both sides and the one area you have personal control of is your ability to defend yourself.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:40 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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"Women shouldn't need to learn to protect themselves against rape #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a woman #rapeculture"

Feminists Freak Out Over Miss Nevada Suggestion Women Learn Self Defense to Avoid Rape - Katie Pavlich

Wow!
What is wrong with women learning to defend themselves?
Yeah women shouldn't need to protect themselves from rape.

I also shouldn't have to lock my door at night because people shouldn't burglarize homes.
I shouldn't have to avoid bad neighborhoods because people shouldn't mug other people.
There are a lot of things we SHOULDN'T have to do but we do them because that's the way the world is
unfortunately.

What do you think has better odds of success…
We rehabilitate or "teach" all of the violent men in the world who would rape a woman to change their ways or we teach women how to defend themselves and how to avoid becoming a victim of rape?

Its wrong for women to learn to defend themselves because men shouldn't rape?
I guess we no longer need the police or laws either because people shouldn't commit crimes.
I sometimes wonder if feminists are women's worst enemy.
Wow.
Oh. My. God!!! I guess that's easy to say, coming from people who have an entourage of security. This issue hits dead center for me, and those responses just.....slay me. In all the dealings those women must have had with womens issues, have they never at least spoken with victims of rape and attempted rape?! Yes, rape is wrong. Really?! No sh**!!! The men who rape know this too. They don't care!!! They are PREDATORS. Their minds are twisted, and they are no more than rabid animals.

Self defense is "icky"?! Ummmm.....again, No kidding?! Really? Whoda thunk. Rape is "ickyer". Obviously, these critics need to see the results of rape and attempted rape first hand. Maybe look into a rapists eyes, a d see the evil there for themselves. Unbelievable. I'm just dumbstruck. If my lady had not defended herself, and had the means and will to do so, her tiny body would have been broken to bits, violated horribly, and if not killed outright , left for dead. I cringe to think, as it is bad enough as is.

The sight of her when I got to the hospital is branded in my head, and the incident is flat carved into hers. How could these women be so COLD?
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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People have been rapping people for as long as humans have walked the earth. It is completely impossible to teach everyone not to rape. (Not saying that it should not happen though). This issue is best approached from both sides and the one area you have personal control of is your ability to defend yourself.
Which I also support, though there is nothing wrong with wanting to bring our country's rape culture to light and pushing for change to happen as well.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Yeah, women don't need to defend themselves.

All they need is a man.

Does anyone else think that the feminists seem to be regressing from their original objective of a liberated female populace?
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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Yeah, women don't need to defend themselves.

All they need is a man.

Does anyone else think that the feminists seem to be regressing from their original objective of a liberated female populace?
They are disgusting political skunts.
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