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How can they resolve their differences when they were forced into fake borders?
The same way others have. By figuring out how to redraw borders themselves -- or whatever it takes to resolve the problems. Themselves.
You're the one pointing out that imposing those borders caused the problem. Now you're suggesting that we should toddle over there again and force more of our fun ideas on them?
I can't think of a single former colony that's governing itself well enough to join the First World nations. India's closest, but of course they've had their own share of religious fighting and border-redrawing.
It takes time and blood to recover from the double whammy of being both a backward civilization and also being forced into someone else's idea of a country. And I for one am perfectly prepared to give the Middle Eastern peoples all the time they need.
PS. You cannot compare the Philippines to the Middle East. The ME is the victim of a triply whammy: Unlike the Phillippines, they also have a resource that dozens of nations are willing to fight for and/or steal.
The same way others have. By figuring out how to redraw borders themselves -- or whatever it takes to resolve the problems. Themselves.
You're the one pointing out that imposing those borders caused the problem. Now you're suggesting that we should toddle over there again and force more of our fun ideas on them?
I can't think of a single former colony that's governing itself well enough to join the First World nations. India's closest, but of course they've had their own share of religious fighting and border-redrawing.
It takes time and blood to recover from the double whammy of being both a backward civilization and also being forced into someone else's idea of a country. And I for one am perfectly prepared to give the Middle Eastern peoples all the time they need.
PS. You cannot compare the Philippines to the Middle East. The ME is the victim of a triply whammy: Unlike the Phillippines, they also have a resource that dozens of nations are willing to fight for and/or steal.
How can they resolve their differences when they were forced into fake borders?
You don't seem to be arguing for allowing them to redraw their borders. You seem to arguing that you can FORCE them to resolve their differences.
But what happens when you remove the FORCE. Only they can choose to resolve their differences, and they have to have the freedom to do that in whatever ways meet their cultural and political requirements. We can't tell them that their culture is wrong, we can't tell them how to resolve their differences.
The only intercessions we should make should be humanitarian in nature. Intercede in the case of genocide. Intercede in the case of famine. Intercede to provide shelter and support to the people evacuating.
Are they going to have wars and unrest? Yes. Terrible things will happen. Just like terrible things have happened in Western history. Human beings are capable of terrible atrocities. But if self-determination is an inherent human right, then the people of the Middle East are just as entitled to self-determination as the rest of the globe is.
What you're suggesting is "You break it, you break it some more to see how much worse you can make it."
Honestly, how old are you that you think a broken vase is the same as millions of human beings fighting over who's god is the right one -- with possession of the world's most valuable natural resource thrown in there for good measure?
Or, wait. I'm starting to suspect you're just a troll, trying to get a rise out of people. I have to give you credit, there is no other subject that could get C-D's conservatives, liberals and libertarians all agreeing on something.
You don't seem to be arguing for allowing them to redraw their borders. You seem to arguing that you can FORCE them to resolve their differences.
But what happens when you remove the FORCE. Only they can choose to resolve their differences, and they have to have the freedom to do that in whatever ways meet their cultural and political requirements. We can't tell them that their culture is wrong, we can't tell them how to resolve their differences.
The only intercessions we should make should be humanitarian in nature. Intercede in the case of genocide. Intercede in the case of famine. Intercede to provide shelter and support to the people evacuating.
Are they going to have wars and unrest? Yes. Terrible things will happen. Just like terrible things have happened in Western history. Human beings are capable of terrible atrocities. But if self-determination is an inherent human right, then the people of the Middle East are just as entitled to self-determination as the rest of the globe is.
I am for number #1 redrawing borders to match ethnicity and religion. However, if we will not do that the next best thing is to take it over and bring stability to the region and for that help ourselves to the oil profits.
After a certain amount of time the leaders of each faction will get tired of the West running their country. They will have all along been educated in proper democracy ie voting on issues and compromising amongst themselves. At which point they will understand how a civil country is run and what it looks like and will want the US gone and not taking their money. So they will be ok. This will take time though. They cant learn this over night. Would likely take a decade of proper rule and showing each faction how democracy works.
Once we hand it over they know we will be back the moment someone fugs up.
What you're suggesting is "You break it, you break it some more to see how much worse you can make it."
Honestly, how old are you that you think a broken vase is the same as millions of human beings fighting over who's god is the right one -- with possession of the world's most valuable natural resource thrown in there for good measure?
Or, wait. I'm starting to suspect you're just a troll, trying to get a rise out of people. I have to give you credit, there is no other subject that could get C-D's conservatives, liberals and libertarians all agreeing on something.
The West caused this problem, so the West needs to fix it.
Because they never have to bloody their own hands with their asinine schemes.
But they'll spill the blood of others to keep their pockets fat!
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