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Let's see. No ACA 10 yrs of 10% premium increase per yr versu with ACA 10 yrs of 5% premium growtg per year. I would guess that would actually far exceed $2500 premium savings, don't you?
OberfürherBob.....did you ever find the missing 43 Million "uninsured?"
They didn't disappear in a microwave oven, did they?
Premiums......um, the way Reality works is that medical costs dictate the cost of health plan coverage.
Explain to us again how the Affordable Care Act punishes hospitals that engage in price-fixing, price-gouging and over-charging?
You know, like a $55,000 appendectomy that probably only cost $2,800?
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But the fact is every industrialized country on this planet has a healthcare system like Obamacare.
No State on Earth has a system as poorly crafted as Obamacare.
The fact that other "countries" have a healthcare system is not a valid reason to have a universal system.
Your claim is even more absurd when you realize these "countries" that you're talking about are the size of US cities and counties.
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And conservatives refuse to do their part to fine tune Obamacare,...
That's a lie....here's the proof....
CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS concluded in Part III–A that the individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause. Pp. 16–30.
Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority.The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce.” Pp. 16–27.
Source: National Federation Of Independent Business Et Al. v. Sebelius, Secretary Of Health And Human Services, Et Al. US Supreme Court 2012
Nor can the individual mandate be sustained under the Necessary and Proper Clause as an integral part of the Affordable Care Act’s other reforms. Each of this Court’s prior cases upholding laws under that Clause involved exercises of authority derivative of, and in service to, a granted power. E.g., United States v. Comstock.
Source: National Federation Of Independent Business Et Al. v. Sebelius, Secretary Of Health And Human Services, Et Al. US Supreme Court 2012
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.... and conservatives refuse to care about the 40,000 Americans who die each year from not having health insurance.
Prove that they would have lived.
What are you doing about the 400,000 insured who die each year?
Explain in detail why the British government has waiting lists causing people to die....
Lung cancer treatment waiting times and tumour growth.
Therefore, 21% of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list. This study demonstrates that, even for the select minority of patients who have specialist referral and are deemed suitable for potentially curative treatment, the outcome is prejudiced by waiting times that allow tumour progression.
When you finish dancing around with that, who said "no" to these Swedish people who did not get the treatment they needed?
Mortality on the waiting list for coronary artery bypass grafting: incidence and risk factors
BACKGROUND: Insufficient capacity for coronary artery bypass grafting results in waiting times before operation, prioritization of patients and, ultimately, death on the waiting list. We aimed to calculate waiting list mortality and to identify risk factors for death on the waiting list.
Once ACA passed premiums rose by more than 10% annually.
But go ahead and ignore reality and cling to your CBO estimates from before ACA got passed.
Err, ACA premiums started this year. We do not know how much they will rise next year, I believe the estimate is about 5% higher.
Or less ... You must be thinking of Obamacare premiums...
Let's see. No ACA 10 yrs of 10% premium increase per yr versu with ACA 10 yrs of 5% premium growtg per year. I would guess that would actually far exceed $2500 premium savings, don't you?
How about you wait until all those mandates, that Obama postponed until after the 2016 election, kick in... chuckles.
I'm sure you use percentages to claim the national debt is shrinking as well.
There is a difference between health care and health care insurance.
So are you saying I am just imagining my increase in premiums and deductible? Ok, so I can keep paying the original amount and tell them that florida.bob said I was imagining the higher premiums. Lets see how that goes over.
Obama LIED about many things including the cost of healthcare insurance. So are you going to pay the 40% increase?
So you want to use the bad outcomes of Obamacare to help republicans win elections. But what about the many Americans that were hurt by Obamacare? And what are the chances of republicans abolishing Obamacare? Slim to none.
Republicans simply use Obamacare as a political weapon. But the fact is every industrialized country on this planet has a healthcare system like Obamacare. And conservatives refuse to do their part to fine tune Obamacare, and conservatives refuse to care about the 40,000 Americans who die each year from not having health insurance.
Obamacare supporters will say that the individual market only represents a small fraction of the total number of insureds in the US. This is true - most estimates place the number of individuals who buy their own insurance at 19 million, or about 9% of the total. So it's ok to slap these people with a huge increase in premiums?
We were in the self insured group and we did get slapped in the face. Our pre obamacare policy was cancelled and our options were to pay more for a similar policy that was not affordable for our family. For the first time in our adult lives we have had to go without health insurance, all thanks to Obamacare.
Those who cheer for obamacare, remember that you are cheering for families like mine who can no longer afford health insurance. I guess this law was only meant to help some people and hurt others. And who cares about those who were hurt. Right?
I wouldn't know where to start. This entire post could be dissected. The national debt grows with unrestrained spending. Revenues have grown EVERY YEAR for the last 20 years, even with those tax cuts.
The following chart is from the CBO. Tax cuts have caused 48% of our deficits from 2001-2007.
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It smacks of the same tired meme of blaming the rich, punish the rich, and blame GWB. Blaming Bush is getting old and tired. Will you still be blaming him for Hillary Clintons absolute failure?
Wealth is a finite thing. You can only take so much from the producers. Believe me when I say; I am no fan of the Koch brothers, Soros, Gates, or any of the uber wealthy political chess players. However, to believe that we should take even more from them to further subsidize the shortcomings of ACA is insanity. If you have to subsidize the affordable care act, even more than it already is, then it isn't affordable... period!
Bill Gates charity work has saved millions of people from dying, he has improved America's public schools, and he lobbies our government to make our tax system fair (so middle class Americans don't pay higher tax rates than billionaires.)
Why would you not respect Bill Gates?
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The Obama cult are still deflecting and defending this administration even with ALL THE CRAP that's happening. I mean look up, they still blame Bush SIX YEARS LATER!
The Obama cult?
Republican CEO's, Fox news, and Rush radio have turned American republicans into zombie servants of CEO's and corporations.
They oppose high min wage laws (so corporations can pay low wages, and make more money.)
They oppose workers unions for the same reason above.
They oppose tax credits for low income workers.
They oppose healthcare for all.
They want to privatize Social Security to divert the SS money to Wall Street corporations.
They want to abolish the EPA and FDA so they can no longer regulate corporations.
ex.ex.
Their sole purpose in life is fighting for favors for the rich like these,
Republicans protect CEO's and corporations more than they protect their own families. They don't care about their family members making low wages or being uninsured, rather they care about tax cuts for the rich.
"The wondrous contradictions of the Clinton administration's China policy were on full display last week. On Monday President Clinton announced an "all-out" campaign to lobby Congress to pass permanent most-favored-nation status for China."[/i]
**** free trade with China!
But in your fight to make democrats loose elections, your political manipulation left out certain facts.
Republicans in congress 100% supported Clinton's free trade deal. After Clinton signed the trade deal republicans in congress had a party. The republicans in congress broke open a huge fortune cookie, the fortune said "Free trade with China will bring us all great fortune."
No State on Earth has a system as poorly crafted as Obamacare.
The fact that other "countries" have a healthcare system is not a valid reason to have a universal system.
Your claim is even more absurd when you realize these "countries" that you're talking about are the size of US cities and counties.
Yes Obamacare has faults and it raised premiums on many Americans. How can we fix Obamacare?
But republicans could care less about the Americans negatively effected by Obamacare, and they have no interest in fixing Obamacare. Rather they want Obamacare to fail so it can be used as a political weapon.
What are you doing about the 400,000 insured who die each year?
Lung cancer treatment waiting times and tumour growth.
Therefore, 21% of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list. This study demonstrates that, even for the select minority of patients who have specialist referral and are deemed suitable for potentially curative treatment, the outcome is prejudiced by waiting times that allow tumour progression.
That was outstanding information and shows the incredible importance of conservative ideas. Just imagine if most conservatives cared about their fellow citizens dying, and those conservatives worked to save those peoples lives in efficient ways.
Your post had some very interesting content, and I apologize for not responding better.
Chad.
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