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Wow..never figured a tshirt company would get tangled up in gay rights.
Government has legislated morality now and businesses will have to pony up or close up.
Doesn't matter what your belief system is when you run a business.
It's discrimination if you don't do their bidding.
Yes and they should have easily just gone to another t-shirt company where they could be confident of getting the best service possible. This mean spiritedness on the part of the homosexual must be curbed lest they need reminding that they and all of us live in a predominantly heterosexual world whether they like it or not.
Sure. It's easy because you already agree with it. It's always easy when it's someone else's freedoms being taken away rather than your own.
But I've seen your comments on abortion before, so let's try this one: Let's just make abortion illegal. Don't want that child of unwanted pregnancy? Just give it up for adoption.
Is it still easy?
Somehow I doubt it.
I have owned restaurants, retail stores and worked in sales serving the public all my adult life. the public is and can be very strange, demanding and rude. do I agree with them all? no. however they still are entitled to service in a business open to the public. you can not discriminate against people for the color of their skin, religious or sexuality. simple. have a problem with that do not open a business to the public. or go ahead and do discriminate, just face the outcry from the public.
have you ever birthed a child then gave it up? unwanted or not it is not as easy as you make it sound. 250,000 women every year in america die from child birth and related causes, being pregnant should be a personal choice,.
Yes and they should have easily just gone to another t-shirt company where they could be confident of getting the best service possible. This mean spiritedness on the part of the homosexual must be curbed lest they need reminding that they and all of us live in a predominantly heterosexual world whether they like it or not.
just how is a gay person supposed to know if a business will serve them? should businesses that refuse service have rainbow stickers with the slash across it on their door?
Be that as it may the USG has made it a civil right which can be taken to court.
Their civil rights trump your religious beliefs now and you really have no religious rights when it comes to business unless you are a church run business.
This really ticks me off. The right of religious freedom is protected in the U.S. Constitution and shall be defended and upheld with exceptional vigor. The two parties can live copacetically side by side when the parties involved just leaving each other alone. The homosexual, a mere 3% of society, does not have the right to trump or supersede the right of the faithful who practice and exercise their religious beliefs in the operation and function of their daily lives and/or businesses.
the right in the constitution is not given by government but is innate to the human condition? I disagree, it is the government that set down the "right". just because humans should be free to do as they please doesn't mean they are, our country has laws and in america everyone is equal.
there may be no right to gay marriage but there is a right to equal treatment which is what gay marriage is about. doesn't matter how old "marriage" is. if straights can marry the person they are attracted to so can homosexuals.
abortion is about privacy. it is not your business how sally at the local wallmart controls her reproductive organs.
want to maintain your bigotry do not open a business that serves the public.
you can disagree all you want but when you do, you disagree with the document itself. The Bill Of Rights is in act a document outlining "rights" that are innate to the human condition. That isnt my view. That is the view of the men who wrote the document.
We arent talking about Gay Marriage in this tread, which in fact you have a point about equal treatment. One worthy of the SCOTUS taking the time to weigh in on. It would be appropreate to have the court hear that and make a decision.
HOWEVER what we are talking about in this thread is a person of religious faith, behing forced to print a T-shirt that is in direct contridiction to his religious faith.
He did not refuse to make a shirt for someone that said "i like trees" because the requestor happened to be gay. he refused to make a shirt that was all about being proud of gayness.
Yes and they should have easily just gone to another t-shirt company where they could be confident of getting the best service possible. This mean spiritedness on the part of the homosexual must be curbed lest they need reminding that they and all of us live in a predominantly heterosexual world whether they like it or not.
Companies will take the order and sit on them because they are "So busy".
They will get more creative in their ways to not do the business.
just how is a gay person supposed to know if a business will serve them? should businesses that refuse service have rainbow stickers with the slash across it on their door?
ask the question
get an answer.
and being gay is not the issue. Requesting someone violate their conscience by making something that gives tacit agreement to the behavior however is the issue.
How about the KKK, Nazi groups, Porn websites, Child Molesters or other groups you find you don't want to do business with ?
shoot about about Westboooooooro Baptist church walking into a t-shirt maker in San Fran that is owned/operated by a happily married gay couple and demanding shirts that say "Gay people are going to destroy America"?
I honestly do not want the store owners to have to print such shirts.
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They are NOT denying to do business with gays. They're saying they want the right to refuse what they're willing to put on a shirt. Why should they not have that right?
So your argument is that its about the message, not the people ?
so what would the shirt have to say in your opinion, for them to do business with them ?
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